RememberSchiff

The folks running the original site did an OUTSTANDING job. However national has since taken it over. Not likely that National, aka those to be keelhauled, will return the helm to those Able. Well there is the Way Back Machine web.archive.org http://web.archive.org/web/20110318033244/http://seascout.org/

Definitely agree on stature of Quartermaster and advancement quality, but can we keelhaul those managing the seascout.org , newseascout.org, and BeAScout websites. To the tune of Drunken Sailor What do you do to become a Sea Scout What do you do to become a Sea Scout Sail on down to our new website Sail on down to our new website There you moor to join Sailed true to newseascout.org To find a rope to join Sailed true to newseascout.org To find a rope to join Early in the morning A wind blew me off-course To the whirlpool BeAScout A wind blew me off-c

E-3 maybe, E-2 at least. I think much depends on the specialty needs of the service, the length of the service contract, and the enlistee. Hard to find this policy in writing on official military websites. I have wondered why it is not printed on the Eagle congratulatory letter that he may receive from a branch of the service or the Joint Chiefs. Small print on bottom of letter stating "Approved to enlist at E-3. See your recruiter for details." My $0.02

Seems like bubba camping to me but I have not seen the program nor witnessed scout response. I would expect scouts to pick ATV over hiking . No nearby camps are doing this, but I found the following: Del-Mar-Va Council, Henson Scout Reservation (Delaware) , nice muddy photo, no additional cost http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=17806&orgkey=1516 Erie Shores Council, Camp Frontier (Ohio), +$60 http://www.psrweb.org/ATV.html Equipment list to bring: long pants, long sleeve shirts, boots that cover your ankles, some mention gloves (ridin

http://www.atvrideronline.com/newsfront/1203_atvp_boy_scouts_of_america_ads_atv_program/index.html "...BSA updated their camp standards to allow for ATV use at approved camps only. It adopted the ASI RiderCourse curriculum as the official training course for leader/instructors and Scouts. And it applied state-by-state requirements for age of operator and other applicable laws. Over 200 Boy Scouts participated in the pilot program. American Honda Motor Co., Inc. provided the ATVs -- including 150 vehicles for the 2012 camping season -- through its Rider Training Loan Program. Individual co

When you're a youth, it's called the buddy system. When you get older, it's called 2-deep leadership. Remember safety for everyone first. Take the "youth protection training" as this is part of getting older - share our joy Welcome to our side, you'll need a coffee mug. My $0.02

Some other thoughts 1. World Jambo at Summit - we will see many coed scout units. Have girls earned Eagle Scout or the equivalent in any of those foreign scout units? I would like to know. Our own girls (Venture Scouts), some thoroughly capable but denied Eagles, will also be in attendance. Time for a change. 2. My older son is busy with Catholic Confirmation classes, they are of course coed, and except for lack of uniforms and other formalisms, the class seems to be another scout troop. They have their own group activities, service projects, assignments, so many that my son has had lit

Phila had a chance to settle and gain $500K in building sale, instead they opted not to and pay Cradle of Liberty Council legal fees??? http://www.wpxi.com/news/ap/texas/philly-owes-877k-for-boy-scouts-eviction-case/nLY7T/ "In 2003, it (Cradle of Liberty Council) enacted its own nondiscrimination policy but was forced to repeal it when the Boy Scouts of America ordered it to conform to national rules. The chapter later enacted a statement that says it doesn't tolerate illegal discrimination." Cradle of Liberty, City of Brotherly Love...how ironic.

Yeah, that SPL or any of those scouts could grow up to become President some day ... The SPL did fine, maybe someone will remind the SM that America is still a land of opportunity. My $0.02

Trailer looks pretty funny and from clothing looks like it was "back in the day". Wow what a cast - Bruce Willis (camp director?) , Bill Murray, Ed Norton ... Thanks for heads up. Back in the day, well I won't say there were or there were not instances of Boy Scouts leaving camp to ah, be Friendly with the locals...

A hike on a winding trail might have helped this troop prepare as I have found a group that does not hike well will do worse on a river trip. Hmm, no older scout or adult leader sweep, not staying within sight and sound of the group (rabbits and the turtles), unknown whether each scout had a map and compass and WHISTLE, getting lost...STOP calm, staying together for night, building a fire, ... A good learning experience in mild weather for these scouts who were also fortunate to avoid injury and likely had no daily medication issues. I wonder what the main group of scouts learned from th

Sheriff's report http://www.nbc15.com/janesville/headlines/Four_Boy_Scouts_Rescued_Along_Sugar_River_in_Rock_County_131413423.html "From the Rock County Sheriff's Department: On Saturday, 10/08/11 at 2213 hours, deputies from the Rock County Sheriffs Office received a call for mutual aid from the Winnebago County Illinois Sheriffs Police in locating four missing boy scouts last seen on the Sugar River in Rock County around 1330 hours. Fire and rescue personnel from Albany, Brodhead, Orfordville and Town of Beloit also responded to search the area for the boys. The investigation

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/131424653.html Group of scouts get lost on trip, they hunker down and await rescue...search helicopter lands and rescues them, all is well except (last paragraph) "Rock County sheriff's officials said the scout leader had taken the boys' cellphones so they wouldn't get lost in the river. If the boys had had them, officials said, they would have been able to call for help or emergency officials would have been able to trace the phones' signals." Apologies to Pink Floyd,

http://www.ksee24.com/news/local/Man-Arrested-for-Embezzling-from-Boy-Scouts-142123683.html Hard to believe 1. This went unnoticed by Troop Committee for two years, should have been caught within three months with financial report at Committee meetings. Does your Treasurer show the real bank statement or just a homemade Excel spreadsheet that could be erroneous? 2. Troop had that much dough. Wonder how much money was lost from "Scout Accounts"? I see a "Money Protection" program coming...money should never be left alone with one person, three deep,.. My $0.02,(This mess

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With a statue of limitations and time exceeded, the alleged abuser wins whether he/she is innocent or guilty while the alleged victim (plaintiff) never had a day in court. Admittedly I am more concerned with the scout than the scouter or corporate, as the legal scales seemed tipped in favor of the last two. I think showing more concern for the scout, like Scouts-Canada is attempting, is the way out of this "perversion files"/lawsuit/PR mess. My $0.01,

Twocubdad, I wasn't saying that 2-deep coverage was not a good idea just that the fallout that we (singularly) are suddenly not to be trusted because of the actions of a few is not the desired Scout image. Maybe we scouters will never earn that trust back. A scout is "trustworthy", well not anymore, maybe two or three scouts together are trustworthy. Hurts scouts, scouters, and scouting. Is it "better" to hold on to the "files" (as pointed out they cannot be destroyed with legal action pending), watch as plaintiff attorneys for each case request those "files" and the resulting negative

1. We need to help scouts (past and present) who were harmed through Scouting. The public perception is that things have "improved" to the point that the BSA now quickly drops the abuser's membership and there are programs in place which, well apparently were not enough. - Scouts Canada removed settlement gag orders so those scouts can freely talk as part of their healing process. - BSA or their insurer covers 100% of medical expense (therapy, burial expenses, etc.) of any scout abused by a registered member of BSA. 2. We need to remove this albatross about our neck - the "perversion

That much they both have right, but it wasn't always the case. Remember for years, BSA YP stated call the council SE first, it was even a test question. IMO, there is more to be done. Scouts-Canada realizes this and is working in that direction. I am eager to read KPMG's "perversion files" report due later this year and hear what action is taken and how much work was involved in reviewing 350 records (BSA is estimated at slightly over 5000 records). BSA? Another $0.02(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

Good point. He should have worded it more accurately. Their youth-protection policy is 1. Contact Child Protection Authority 2. Contact Scouts Canada ... scouts.cs/ca/youth-protection

Engineer 61, Our fellow scouters to the north face the same problem but their solution focuses on the good of their scouts past and present as opposed to the good of corporate. Please read Scouts Canada Chief Commissioner and Chair of the Board of Governors, Steve Kent 2+ page letter to all. http://www.scouts.ca/sites/default/files/Youth-Protection-Update-Feb13.pdf I will include the last part here "Scouts Canada, and I personally, have committed to this course of honesty and open transparency. We know it will ensure the strength and vitality of our organization for

Sounds good, but I think it is more complex. I think there's an ego factor sometimes expressed "these are different times", "we have a different leadership team (making the same decision)" that needs to be overcome. I wonder if/how C.S. Lewis would have expanded this thought post JFK, his cabinet of "The Best and the Brightest", and the Vietnam War. And that's just one example of well-educated, well-traveled, experienced people repeating the mistakes of history. Oddly he and JFK died on the same day. My $0.01

Santa Barbara County Superior Court Judge Donna Geck vacated her order this week, pending a March 21 mediation session between lawyers for BSA and plaintiff . She set a new date of May 9 for the BSA to produce the "perversion files", which are not to be disclosed to the public. Adult troop leader Al Stein pleaded no contest to felony child endangerment in 2009 and was sentenced to a two year prison term. He was paroled early. Some of us are keeping an eye on Scouts Canada approach, where they have released their "perversion files" for independent review (KPMG will make public their r

Mine is three words, but I can see it expressed in 4 or 5. DSP Some might focus on a particular approach for the above like "Get out of the way and let boys lead.", "All your scouts earn First Class", ...but I hope we are all pretty much on the same page or is it pages now.(This message has been edited by RememberSchiff)

My older (~16yo+) scouts and their parents listened to the council Jambo pitch $2k plus another uniform plus... and figured their money could be better spent a local adventure trek $500-$600 or $0 get a summer job instead 40hr drivers ed $850 Driver license $30 SAT test, subject tests $50-200 6 college applications $300-450 ------------ $1230(no trek) - $1730(min) - $2130(max) per scout Seems once the total activity cost is above $800 (two weeks local scout cam