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True. Nobody is forcing CO's to recharter. Nobody is forcing members to re-register. Nobody is forcing donors to donate.

If the transition plan is not known at recharter, some CO's of packs may have second thoughts.

Thanks for your long service to scouts and Scouting. May you find joy with your family.

RS

I am waiting for the Girl Scouts to announce that they will now sell popcorn too! 

Im sure Family Camps can be a very effective way to recruit more Leaders. Maybe its something we should try. One thing that is common here is operating a 'parent rota' where parents take it in turns to help with a meeting a couple of times a year. Some groups are very strict about this while others are much more informal, with everything in between.

 

DBS checks are renewed every 5 years, although I am sure any issues flagged up in the interim would result in immediate action. We also need to take safeguarding and safety training every 5 years, although it should be and generally is an ongoing thing. First aid training is renewed every 3 years.

Here Youth Protection training must be taken every TWO years.  Five years sounds more sensible but then we likely have more child abuse litigation. Once and done works for me.

In our general program, there is NO first aid training requirement for adult leaders. Some camps and activities, e.g. Philmont, may require leaders have CPR and Wilderness First Aid training.  Doesn't make sense to me either.

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Maybe my unit is a fluke, but he have more parents (dads) who were scouts than our registered leaders. In their view, there is less hassle and cost in just informally helping than formally registering as a leader.

I like your smart use of "family camping" to demonstrate scouting and recruit adults say once a year or two years.

How often are your adult leaders required to take youth protection training?

Some questions:

What percentage of your scout leaders were scouts? Reading posts here, my impression you have a higher percentage than we.

Do you have "Family Camping" in your program?

Modest Proposal: Maybe we should relocate BSA HQ to Britain for this transition.

Well stated @@njdrt-rdr , @@Tampa Turtle 

IMO, more scouters will leave over National's lack of trustworthiness and leadership and invasive Family Camping than girl membership. 

@@IHC welcome to scouter.com

Offline, decide how many and which adults you want, then individually ask each to volunteer.

My $0.02

@@Venturing Lady welcome to scouter.com

Okay the debating teachers are eating at Applebee's or Olive Garden.

Let's stay on topic.

@@gblotter welcome to scouter.com

@@Peter1919 thanks for your help, welcome to scouter.com

Yup, @@Sentinel947, you asked it better than me.

National trustworthiness and leadership in the decision-making and planning here are in doubt.

@@HoLLyWood welcome to scouter.com

@@usarasa welcome to scouter.com

You know, you're shutting down a conversation among Scouters with differing views, and replacing it with a question which no one here has the answer to.

 

Is there something wrong with exploring why military academies (historically male-only institutions that have fairly recently gone co-ed) do or do not offer pertinent insight as to how the BSA may approach the same kind of problem?

Conversation or bickering? My point is stay on topic, the debating coach argument is not relevant.

Is the BSA the only scouting organization with age overlaps among its programs?

From the Scouting Association

Cubs (8-10 yrs old)

Scouts (10-14)

Explorer Scouts (14-18)

Scout Network (18-25)

No overlap, no poaching.

Getting girls in a unit to wear the same colorful necker may be a challenge. 

Okay debate points made.

Where is the transition plan and its goals or will National pay an outside consultant firm to produce one in the next 3 months (God help us)?

Well what were results of the pilot programs prior to this decision?

Yes, it is local option.  This was in the BSA's official statement:

 

IMO, I think officially "local option" will require pre-conditions. Rather than the nonsense of staff and train months later in time for re-charter, it  will be done before a unit can locally opt to be coed.

My $0.02