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That's a topic in itself. If I had time, I'd link to it. The short answer: "no". The lack of outside leadership to force BSA and GS/USA to work in lock-step led to their mutual erosion. Reflecting on them, both organizations needed to do two things: 1. Enable its members to pursue the opposite members awards and share each other's camps. 2. Sign GS/USA on as a WOSM member so that they could be invited to World Jamborees and other events. This would have had to have been started 5 decades ago. It would have enabled sex segregation to continue, but with mutual growth and cooperation. Compared to the "we have the perfect program for a given sex" rhetoric, a more mature discussion of when coed vs. sex-segregated activities and events are better or worse for development (as we often found ourselves on scouter.com having) would ensue.

Seen personally? The few girls I've met were plodding along just like our boys. I'm inferring that the are plodding along just like our boys of a similar age. BSA just loves to hype the overachievers. Case in point: there are no stories about # and age distribution of Tenderfoot badges.

The month that "scout" is no longer proprietary, the S in BPSA will revert from "Service" back to "Scouting", TL/USA and AHG will rebrand as Trinitarian Scouts of America - Boys and Trinitarian Scouts of America - Girls, respectively, Makers will be Maker Scouts, etc ... If GS/USA thinks their potential recruits are confused now, they will drain their wallets on cease and desist orders to these other groups.

@PACAN, I would not hew to the press releases. The age range of this class seems to be wide. Moreover, they seem to be the "tip of the iceberg" as troops for girls seem to be sticking. This year's rechartering will tell us a good bit about brand loyalty. If BSA really cared about not drawing off girls who might feel awkward about working a program whose evolution was all about American boys, they would brand so that every girl knows that she is signing up to work a "Boy Scout" program. On the other hand, if GS/USA really cared about families of girls being "confused", they could estimate the cost of rebranding to "Girl Guides" and sue BSA for the cost of new letterhead. What GS/USA really wants is for BSA to "stay in its lane" and retain their monopoly on "girl power."

@Cburkhardt, I think the number of girls who signed up shows that a very small number were confused about organization. However, I also think the corporate name injects a little marketing doublespeak. The program is, at its core, Boy Scouts for girls. So, retaining the program name “Boy Scouts of America” and adding a “for Girls” or “4G” would have been more plain spoken. But, the larger problem is we have inherited West’s and Lowe’s intransigence. This disadvantages American youth in both groups.

@CynicalScouter, I agree. The return of Cooking to the required list was long awaited. Moreover, the specific change in requirements was announced a year in advance, and the grace period to work the badge under the existing requirements was almost that long. I was not involved in scouting when Family Life rolled out. I wonder if anybody who was can recall boots-on-the-ground opinions of it. Until June, nobody was asking for DE&I MB. Many of us in the corporate or academic world probably have a low view of our HR’s take on the subject. But since Eagle Scouts will also have to shortly encounter this in the professional/military world, being somewhat conversant might help. But, since BSA has never crowd-sourced its MB development, there’s was no way to avoid the requirements representing anything other than a narrow slice of corporate America.

The way I do this is I have a questions that have to be answered at certain controls. Usually controls just have a key word written on the flag, and the scout records it on the control sheet when he finds it. But the control sheet also has bonus questions like: What is the height of the trunk this control is on? How wide is the ravine just west of this control? How tall is the pole on the opposite side of this field? Isn’t Mr. Q the best SM ever? 😀 The right answer to each question can shave 10 minutes off of the scout’s time. Usually I rate controls worth 10 minutes as well. So the scout who spends time finding every control and answering every question can usually cut their score in half.

Our boards often, if not always ask questions on religion. No self-destruction ensued.

The number of elective badges for scouts will remain 122. One less of those will be needed for Eagle, bringing the total elective MBs for that rank down to 7. That leaves 115 and allows those scouts who earn all available MBs to score a 23rd Palm. (DE&I is my shepherd, I shall not want ...)

@Cleveland Rocks, if it's not too late, I grant your district permission to adopt anything from my Syrian heritage for a name/mascot. It would tickle my family pink if a council had an Alleppo or Homs district!

How is it that counselors "injecting their own biases" is a problem here, but not for any of the other MBs? As I mentioned in other threads, MBC's are, by definition, selected because they have a "bias" in favor of the skill being taught. We literally want our youth to meet people outside of scouting so that they discover what and how they can learn stuff form folks who are not their SMs.

@Navybone, I think @InquisitiveScouter was referring to “perceived sexual orientation.” But, specifically to my issue, many people who could counsel on DE&I in a practical sense (e.g., anyone who owns a business of any size and needs to follow state hiring practices), might not be interested in helping a scout navigate these particular requirements. For example, they might not know anything about WOSM, so already there’s a disconnect. IMHO, any requirement that’s self-referential — that uses language that one would only understand if they were a scout — is a poor one. Secondly, it is one-sided. It discusses what DE&I initiatives can do in a positive sense, but it makes clear that a scout is not to explore how DE&I initiatives might conflict with someone’s ideals. Many counselors — for any badge — want to help a scout approach the content forthrightly. This is especially true for older scouts who want to understand if a skill has limits. One limit of DE&I is that it costs real money and takes time and energy to implement. Some forms of implementation are a facade, while others can be deeply rewarding without requiring a “commitment to the cause.” I am concerned that many good counselors have never themselves written out any kind of DE&I promise or made any kind of commitment. Being people of action, they did one or two things in their profession or hobby that wound up promoting DE&I and then kept at it. Those are the people who I’d like my scouts to meet. But this is still a draft, and not what I’d show prospective counselors. So I’m happy to suspend judgment.

The badge will only be as good as the counselor. That applies to every MB ... especially the "bookwork" badges. These draft requirements disappoint because the people who I would like to counsel my scouts to for them might not feel like the material is relatable.

@CynicalScouter, got a link?

DEnIed, DE&I'd (dee-ee-an-ied,v,adj): modified so as to render explicitly applicable to diversity, equity, and inclusion. (See also STEM'ed.)

It'd be all fine and good until the requirement gets DE&I'ed to say, "while killing/cleaning/eating give honor to the meat in accordance with a cultural tradition other than your own."

LNT is not just for franks and beans! So, it was a long uphill battle to bring cooking back after the new scouting program deemed it and camping to be electives in 1972. You all clearly have not had a scout (with the help of his patrol) make empenadas the size of calzones during a meeting. Son #2 got some serious game thanks to this badge. He and his fiance' now binge-watch Master Chef. And that's the crux. The sooner you learn to cook well, the sooner you can land a good spouse who's going to make bank so you can indulge your other hobbies -- including scouting. ;)

Here's a nice link http://usscouts.org/eagle/EagleHistory.asp But, keep in mind that on the trail to Eagle, there are now several additional requirements outside of MBs: Ageism - 1960ish, the award was designated as strictly for youth and the age 18 deadline set. Management and Subcontracting - 1965 "plan, develop, and carry out a service project" Predator deflection - 1990-ish The pamphlet that parents must go through with their scouts. Recruiting and Propoganda - 1990-ish talk to another scout about joining the troop. Pedagogy - 2009? - Explain, and later instruct using, the poppycock EDGE method. Objectively, it's a much harder process than in the '50's. This is born out by the empirical evidence that few scouts earn it by age 16 (once the average).

“... they’re the brainiacs who create new merit badges ...” In other words: we’re not.

Name one MB where feedback was collected from boots-on-the-ground before roll-out.

Feeling your pain on multiple levels. But, we turned our charter in on schedule. Four of our five crossovers stuck with us, I think four aged out, so we’re even. The webelos know we’re active, and some are looking forward to camping with us sometime soon. I hope that can happen. Worst case, they cross with no AOL I don’t have a pulse in the district. I pretty much have no more on he tank for teleconferencing.

There’s a bitter truth that we must recognize: The MBC concept was not designed to involve registration with the BSA. Counselors were ideally the best qualified people in your community for a given subject — not necessarily scouters or ever scouts. They way it was supposed to work is the DC would meet someone, ask if it would be alright if every now and then a scoutmaster would send a boy or two their way to learn about their hobby or profession, shake hands, and that would be it. The point was to teach scouts that they could master all kinds of really cool stuff by talking to perfect strangers. Registering MBCs, background search, national training including ensuring current YPT ... all of that is a ten year old retrofit. And it kinda teaches boys a different concept — that they can only learn really cool stuff by talking to thoroughly vetted strangers. Well, guess what, folks? That’s just not true. There are perfect strangers outside of BSA from whom our youth are currently learning stuff just fine. So, if the system is a mess, it’s because BSA had to impose rules that the system was not built to enforce. The belief that with a little more streamlined database management, all these outstanding teachers in our community will fall in line is a complete and utter farce.

Thanks ‘skip. Our governor just increased restrictions. Our streets are empty, not unlike yours, I suspect. Switching back to online meetings hasn’t been as successful for us ... especially since next meeting was supposed to be our Christmas party. We’ve got in a few more campouts than you, although I missed the last two. Your scouts are asking some good questions. Hopefully the answers will inspire a few to do some great things.

Well, the medical metaphor might be inducing coma.

You're description is fit. I describe it as defensive scouting. Or, metaphorically, "circling the wagons." Sadly, I don't think it will do much to stop incoming projectiles.