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Everything posted by ParkMan

  1. I concur. You all discussed this, reviewed it, and made a decision. Your authority as a leader will be hurt much more by changing this back. Stick with your current plan.
  2. Do you think it's a case of: A. scouting doesn't have the value of sports? -- or -- B. the typical troop program doesn't have the value of the typical sports team?
  3. Thanks. We can't really do anything about the financial interests. If parents are going for a sport scholorship, then more power to them. As for being "done Scouting" - this is in our power to address.
  4. So, I'd peel the onion here. Why are they willing to choose sports and walk away from scouting?
  5. This is why we have assistants. If you've got a Scout who can be there enough to provide leadership to a function, then let him lead the function. If he has to miss 50% of the events, then no big deal. Take a more junior scout, make him/her Asst. of whatever POR that scout has. Benefits: The Scout learns to balance the realistic demands of life. A younger scout gets to learn from a senior scout Older scout learns delegation The job probably gets done better Negatives: None?
  6. In short, no-one. The leaders of these activities understand that to field a team, they need participation. So, they draw a line and say "no participation, no team." Most of use Scouters are not willing to do the same. So, in short, for the most part, we do it to ourselves.
  7. I'm willing to concede that I'm in the minority opinion on this one. The literature encourages the idea that the CC supervises the unit leaders. If a volunteer's supervisor cannot remove said volunteer, then that puts the supervisor in a pretty weak position. But, this isn't the point of the topic - so I'm not looking to push the point. I'm just adding it for context. More likely, what I think happens is a parent knows someone in a district role. They ask their opinion on an issue which then gets related as fact. Too many unit leaders go along with it because they don't realize t
  8. BTW - can we once and for all recognize: The BSA makes very clear that within a unit, the Scoutmaster has the final say on advancement. District Volunteers can not overrule unit level volunteers with their unit.
  9. Goodness - sounds like you've got a real mess on your hands with this troop. Two points: The COR absolutely does have to sign the new Scoutmaster's application. A position change requires a new adult application. Until such time that the COR signs the application of your successor, you're the Scoutmaster in your Council's & National's eyes. The Troop Committee can not fire a SM. The COR can absolutely fire the SM. There's some difference of opinion on this, but I believe the CC can fire the Scoutmaster. But the unit committee - nope. The best they can do is to agre
  10. Interesting observation. I'll admit that district service often feels more like a job than my real job. I need to remember sometime to start a topic "How can we make District Service fun?" I'd love to hear ideas.
  11. 18 years is an amazing amount of time to volunteer! Thank you for your many years of service. I'd encourage you to step back and re-evaluate. In the process, hand off your responsibilities and take a sabbatical. Think about where your fun is. Maybe you're really done, maybe you decide these something else you'd enjoy doing. But, it's hard to do that while you're still committed. But whatever you do, find your fun in it.
  12. Ok - uncle. I give up. If the BSA basketball team got so ticked off at the GSUSA basketball team that they refused to give them the ball I don't think I'd care either.
  13. This hardly seems like improper behavior. If the lawyers had hidden information or not properly disclosed what is required than that is improper. But, stalling is simply a tactic. Yes, the lawyers employed tactics to make it more difficult for the opposing side to make their case. There was nothing illegal here as far as I can tell. In sports, this is simply playing defense. "The best offense is a good defense". The judge finally had enough and told them to stop - so what? Yes, the Oath & Law provides us guidance on how to conduct ourselves. This line of thought suggests to f
  14. What specifically do you think the lawyers did wrong and what do you think should be be done to be in the character of the Oath & Law? Why does it not reflect poorly on the Scouting community that we sit here and criticize the lawyer's defending the BSA for simply doing their job?
  15. I'd second that. It's very common in my area for Scouters to grab a beer after a meeting. Many great scouting ideas have been launched over a pint.
  16. I read what you posted here and all it looks like to me is that the lawyers were making it difficult for the opposing side. This case is stupid, but the ramifications of it are a big deal. I am glad the counsel for the BSA is aggressively representing their cause. While I'd love it if everyone could hold hands and get along, I recognize that in some circles - like law, when you're in the midst of the case you have to push boundaries at times. I saw nothing in what you posted that suggested unethical behavior. Simply a judge who thought they were not playing nicely with each other an
  17. The lawyers for each side would not be doing their job and fulfilling their obligation if they did not aggressively represent their clients. It's silly to suggest that the lawyers should be following the Scout law inside the courtroom. It would be like saying race car driver needs to be a friendly, courteous driver in the midst of a race.
  18. It is beyond any question that abuse is a horrendous, heinous, awful crime. From what I can tell, the most recent abuse listed here was in 1990. Is that correct?
  19. If the problem is a lackluster Webelos program that is causing Scouts to loose interest in continuing, then perhaps you could have the troop do some signature events that let the Scouts know what is coming. Every year, our troop very visibly puts on some awesome events that are unlike what is typical for a Cub den. We invite Webelos & AOL scouts. Those scouts see the troop, what we do, and it looks pretty cool. As a result, we easily have 80%+ of the AOL scouts crossover. If anything, we get the "I'm soooo tired of Cub Scouts, I cannot wait to crossover."
  20. I re-read the thread. Looking back over it, I get the impression that your premise is that we need to create structures to force the patrol method. I disagree. You want to have patrol method, then have patrol method. You don't need plans like this - you just need patrol with things that they need to get done. Young adults are eminently pragmatic people. They look around and process and say "why do I need to do that?" I think that creating complex structures that you hope Scouts will adopt will simply lead to frustration. As the expression goes "No plan survives contact with the en
  21. Could you just simplify this as? Patrol meetings Go over items needed for PLC Prepare for events Conduct review of any just completed activity Prepare for monthly camping trip & other upcoming events Prepare for next inter-patrol competition Practice skills needed for upcoming events Work on advancement Set the agenda for next time Play a game All kinds of planning and structure for patrols is not really needed. Youth respond when that have to get stuff done. So, instead of creating some artificial pro
  22. Another idea would be to focus the Scouts first on what they need to accomplish. As an adult team, gently steer what needs to get done into patrol sized pieces. I'd focus less on than trying to figure out how to structure patrols or meetings to support patrols. Instead I'd think about the work the troop needs to get done and structure that work so that patrols can work on it. Then, focus everything you do to enable that. I suspect what you'll find is that the patrols will have more purpose. There will be a need to work together. That need to accomplish things as a group will d
  23. If I imagine that 60% flew in because it's a World Jamboree. I'm thinking that because 20% are staff and 20% are people within driving distance, that leaves 30,000 that flew in. If we can get 3,000 in/out of Charleston, that leaves 27,000 that need flights. It looks like Chartlotte, Columbus, and Pittsburgh are all about 4 hours away. I imagine you could find 27,000 seats between those three airports. If you can get 50 on a bus, that's also about 540 bus trips. If you could get two bus trips in per day, that could mean as few as 270 different buses the organizers need to find - b
  24. It's all very sad. I do understand the once they consolidated, they no longer needed to maintain that number of distinct camps. Just reminds me that we need to address the membership issue.
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