Basementdweller

I am ACM if I go to council office would they give me the report for all of the leadership in the pack????

I am curious. How do i check my own training records on scout.net??????

Assuming the statics are correct, I think we all agree that retention is a great thing.

Thx for all the replys. My post is the result of my efforts to turn in my training records to the pack we just joined. I tried to submit them to the pack secretary who told me to give them to the CM The CM told me to give them to the Secretary who told me to try the CC The CC told me to give them to the Secretary who told me forget it, it doesn't really matter. I started asking the DL's about training, some had little others had none. I am going to suggest that we do youth protection at one of the committee meetings and I will volunteer to track and arrange the training. So how would you react to a new member of your Pack leadership pushing for something like that???

A question about training. Our current pack does not have any records of adult training. I know the answers but I am looking for guidance to back my argument to assign someone to track it. What recourse is there for adults who refuse to complete or update YP or Position specific training?

Acquaintance- A person you have met in person, does not includes internet people. Buddy-A guy you have had an adult beverage with, you met at a gathering and have some common interest. The kinda person you can BS's with garage race or tell lies around the campfire with. Friend-A non family member who you can trust more than a buddy, The kinda guy you trust enough to go hunting upland bird with. This group you can hold an adult discussion with and not worry about offending anyone. the kinda guy you would share your tent with. Best Friend-I view my wife as my best friend, We can talk about anything and I don't have to worry about being laughed, ridiculed or judged. but I assume we are speaking non-family member. A person you can trust beyond a normal friend, the kinda guy who you can call in the middle of the night and know he will be their. who has actually been inside your house, met your wife and kids.

My guess is the server crashed and there is no on call to reset it?

Those scout vests, what weight is the Fleece?? there is a huge difference. I have been burned by cheap fleece. Far as the red fleece jacket, Buy one put your patches on it and enjoy it. Who cares what the uniform police say.

Underarmour long johns are not that warm. Your better off buying polypropylene in various weights. Silk weight next to skin, medium weight next. I carry spare gear with me and have given young men replacement long johns after there underarmour was not warm enough. You could buy 3 or 4 piece of poly for one piece of underarmour. Sierra Trading Post. Don't forget a good hat and socks. He is going to need more than one complete set, top, bottom and socks. With Underarmour that will be a $150+ proposition especially for a boy who may out grow it by next winter. As Eamonn eluded too everyone is different, he needs to learn what works for him. I don't buy into the entire brand thing. All those high dollar athletes run the cost on their gear way up. Just my opinion.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller)

You did not mention what your doing, because it does make a difference. My list assumes your Backpacking I like Eagles list..... Gatorade bottles yes yes yes. Lantern no no no. Saw no no no. What are you going to do with it? Campfire????? Cook kit.....Depends a bit on the stove, but I get deals at garage sales and thrift stores. I would not try to cook for the entire group out of one pot.....As suggested Our boys go to walmart and buy a cheap plastic plate and cup, and a spoon. I don't like MSR stoves for scouts because of the pumps I worry about carrying the maintenance kit and external hoses.....Your better off with the coleman dual fuel I had a peak one for years solid. I own a jetboil and once it gets below freezing it does not function very well, white gas, kerosene or alcohol is better. http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=442-725&categoryid=2005&brand= I enjoy stoves for some reason, I own a MSR whisperlite, EGK, Pocket Rocket, Jetboil PCS, Cat can, Soda can, coleman peak one, F1 Ultralight. I agree with the Tarp suggestion......Too expensive for the fancy silnylon. We use plastic sheeting. Walking sticks and Staves serve as the tarp poles. Keep in mind you have no insect protection......Maybe a problem depending on where you are going. I have turned into a bit of a gear junkie...Ask away I would look at the boys backs and sleeping gear before you leave......You might be surprised at what you see or don't see.

I am going to agree, that the college grad needs to have actually been a boy scout as a youth. How about returning phone calls and emails? Following thru on obligations and commitments. Supporting your volunteers. Showing up a District or Council function once and a while. Caring.

jeezzzz guys. I just noted that people from Tenn, GA, NC believe Global warming is a hoax and those in the north Minnesota, Michigan, and Ohio agree that there is something to global warming. I never commented on education level, income level or social issues. I am sorry that you are thin skinned enough that it bothers you. I happen to agree and believe that we humans are warming the planet.

I read this thread a shake my head. reminds me of the story about a group of blind men and the elephant. It is a snake, it is a tree, it is a wall. In all seriousness, You cannot believe that humanity and our current style of living do not have an impact on the planet. Waste heat from air conditioning, waste heat from our vehicles. Waste heat from heating our buildings. In a typical American style, It is all great till it effects me. You better not impact my life one bit, and I do not care what the cost to anyone else as long as it doesn't change the way I live or where I live. It is ok if I commute 20+ miles to where I work, you know burning all that gasoline or diesel has absolutely no impact on the environment. Keeping my house heated to 75 degrees all winter and it has no impact on the environment, I wear shorts and sandals in the winter because I don't like long pants or sweaters. I keep my house cooled to 65 degrees in the summer because I don't want to sweat. I shower 4 times a day because I sweat....Please. on and on and on. I find it interesting in my reading the thread that those living in the south believe that man has no impact on Global climate. Those in the north understand the climate is changing, some believe we are causing other are not sure. You cannot be naive enough to believe we have no impact on the environment. everything from the fertilizer and weed killer you put on the yard to make it green, to that v-8 scout hauler you drive. It would be funny if all of our fates were not tied together.

I second the malware attack. My software went crazy.

That is a huge help. Do you happen to know which activity pins they will work on???? thx

rj.....when are they going to post the dates for Friedlander?????? More importantly the Weeb dates.

Simon Kenton's resident camp program is terrible. If it so great why do most of the weebs and boy scouts that attend resident camp leave the Council. The camps are in terrible shape and the rates we pay out of council are cheaper than our in council rates. Two years ago at one of the Kenton camps we arrived Wednesday night for the leaders meeting to discover there was "No official Program" but more what would you like do. The program was weak and staff untrained, the boys spent the week in the pool and shot bb and archery. A waste of my Camp $$$$$$. Another camp is in a suburb with the neighbors trail running thru the camp and stray dogs roaming the camp. Highway noise and noise from the train yard is deafening at 2am. The pool leaking to the point that the camps well couldn't keep up and water temp freezing. The boys couldn't even swim, Ridiculous. I have heard that it has been leaking like that for years. I have been to all of the council camps and partaken in the programs. You work hard for your money......go to a neighboring council. I have heard the praises of Dan Beard council's Camp Frielander. I have received this recommendation from a trusted friend. The camp is in fantastic shape and the program was great. The resident camp situation is so terrible that to earn quality unit this year our council has added the requirement of attending Resident Camp in council. Quality camp, quality program and they will come.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller)

You need to remember at his level he has seen everything that Cub Scouting has to offer. It may be better for him not to attend Cub resident camp this year. You could take the Weeb den out for a 3 or 4 day camp with the assistance of the cross over prospective boy scout troop. My son is in the same boat and he is a Bear. We attended a couple of council/district cub events recently and he was bored. So we approached the Troop he is joining about attending a few events with them. The scout master was more than happy to have us come along as guests. So we have attended a camporee, campout and a couple of hikes. Hopefully he will cross over at 10 1/2 and be out of cubs. This means no second weeb year.

To be honest the way whittle chip is taught is terrible. I would never use a steel knife to do it. Just because other do it does not make it right. I used craft sticks to make wooden pocket knives. Very cheap to make. Plus the parents who chose not to buy their son a knife will not miss out. I have yet to have any injury to anyone while teaching in this manner. First the boys learned safe handling with the wooden knife. Second we learned to sharpen the wooden knives on sand paper sharpening stones. Sharpening is the most important skill IMHO. Then we whittled soap yes with the wooden knife. The great thing about doing it this way is the boys learn control letting the knife do the work. Not forcing the knife, the soap will break when using the wooden knife and they start over. The wooden knife also dulls in the soap requiring resharpening while working in the soap. A much safer and controllable teaching/learning experience. Far as recommending a knife to parents, I would resist the temptation to do it. Just provide the recommendations and then but out.

Parent "Why did you leave with out him?" me "we left at 8:30" Parent "We were only 15 minutes late." Me "Well I am sorry about that but we were supposed to leave at 8 and we did call your cell". Parent after a big sigh "But I was talking to my sister and we were only 15 minutes late." Me "No, you were 45 minutes late and we did try to call" Parent" you ruined my plans for the day." What about his day??????(This message has been edited by Basementdweller)

eagle.........I think his point was after receiving his eagle he was only motivated to earn two merit badges. I will bet that he had sufficeint merit badges earned for both palms before he received his eagle.

a SM conference takes.....5-10 minutes right?????? especially for a palm.

packsaddle.....that was kinda my read on it. the CC was made that the secretary did her job. Just the way it looks from the side lines.

Take a deep breath.....hold it......hold it......let it out. Did the boys have fun? Did you have fun? Do you think the Pack may do it next year? Pizza Party with the winnings......sounds like a plan to me. Scouting is fantastic and a fun thing till you add adults. Remember it is about and for the boys. You should feel lucky you have help. Packs and troops are killed by adult turf wars. Relax and enjoy your son and his accomplishments.

I do not understand the financing of scouting beyond my FOS, recharter fee and the expenses I pay to attend events. I imagine the politics are immense. Are the financial records public?????? You have aroused my curiosity. I see the way our council manages money, it is terrible. I have spoken on occasion to the councils camp rangers and have helped with their wish or need lists. I trust these camp supervisors, it is ashame there is no way to see to the camps needs with out the greedy people at the council office getting involved.