Basementdweller

We normally get a multiroom cabin. The ladys and girls in one room, men in one and scouts in the third. Worked great. It is an event that happens in the winter, in a heated cabin at a scout camp. To me this isn't really winter camping, sorta on the order of the kids going out and playing in the snow, getting cold and running inside and going to bed.

*sigh* Yes it is a Pack Family camp out. I did not clearly state it in my question, I am sorry. I own multiple copies of the G2SS and I am familiar with the quoted passages. I understand that there needs to be separate areas my question was how to actually do the segregating. I figured it was rope and sheets, but I was unsure. I hate cabin camping,

Well I have a really silly question......seem silly to me because in all my years it has never been an issue till now. Our usual cabin multiroom cabin is not available the weekend the leadership chose for the winter camp out. So instead they rented a dorm style cabin....... So how do you manage the sleeping arrangements while still following youth protection? We have boys, sibs, adult males and females........... again.....I feel silly cause this is the first time I have had to deal with it. Please feed me your experiences........ Just for the record......I

Eghigle.....you mistake experience/academics with maturity. I would not expect 12-14 to enjoy hanging with a 9 year old. My son has a length outdoor resume for a city kid. at 9 he has more than 100 miles of backpacking and probably over 100 nights in tent camping from wilderness to cuboree's. He is too immature for Boy Scouts yet, I would not burden a SM or PL with his childish immature ways. it just isn't fair to everyone else in the Patrol.

twocubs......I gotta tell you that is pretty funny. the large and in charge weeb den leader wigging out. Put a big smile on my face. I know of a couple of female den leaders definite type A that are gonna have a real problem with boy lead. Thankfully the boys are going to be involved with one of the best SM in our District. I am sure he has dealt with this before.

john......I have to agree with you on the tiger and lion program...... the boys are burned out by the time they are weeblos. At least in our council, the yearly cub events do not change. Fall Shoot, Halloween, Christmas, Maple syrup, Day camp. Repeat. My son is entering his Bear year and is electing to not attend them this year....instead we are going camping instead, Dads and lads if you will, family camp. With the limitations that are place on Cubs how do you keep them interested for 5 years. The wolf and Bear are almost identical, I have had a couple of parent

You cannot register a boy who is 11 as a cub scout. a cub/scout master combo who did not want a weeb 2 in boy scouts yet, because in his opinion he was too immature and would be a disruptive influence. So during the recharter he tried to register him as his actual age and scout net kicked it out told us he was too old. So the c/sm lied about the young mans age on the recharter to keep him in cubs a year more.

That is absolutely ridiculous if it is true. I understand youth protection expiring. Baloo, please. My card does not have an expiration date on it. First I have heard of it.

The wife and daughter have both already had the dreaded H1N1. Somehow my son and I avoided it. It takes about 2 weeks to be completely free of symptoms. Head ache, sore throat, dry cough, lots of mucus, temperature, and body aches. No diarrhea or vomiting. They both just toughed it out. Both parked on the couch and slept for 3 days straight. Not much worse than the seasonal flu.

Eagle... I don't have a problem with camporee, cuboree, district or council event patches. These are a part of scouting. I have a problem with Sleeping in a tent patch, sleeping in the cold patch, bike rodeo patch. these are different and IMHO weaken the program and create unreasonable expectations from the young men.

All these post about Awards and Patches for insignificant things. No wonder these boys never cross over or quit Boy Scouts. One Pack I visited gives out awards at every single meeting...... An award for camping out? An award for sleeping in a tent? An award for sleeping in the cold? An Award for hiking in a city park? An award for making lunch? Popcorn awards? Skit awards? Song awards? Sleeping in the cold? Most cubs in uniform? I never had seen brag vest so full of absolutely meaningless patches. Most of the boys have no idea even how they earned them.

Losing den leaders for writing names and dollar amount on an envelop?????? Then turning it into the treasurer. IF that is the case they probably were not very good any how. then how do you know who has paid and who has not??????? Is it fair if one boy isn't paying when the others are. they don't have to track the money, the treasurer does it for them.

Pumpkins are a great idea cost of seed and the boys can tend them. I know of a couple of troops that have rummage sales, we do it as well. We also sell hot dogs and sodas at it as well. We have made some nice money doing them. Bake sales work well. We have walked away from a couple of sales with $1k. Now we have a couple fantastic bakers. Just check with your DE he is the person who has to approve your fund raising application. What is considered appropriate is different based on the region of the country. BTW uniforms are not required. Short....the b

I am uncomfortable with a DL holding the dues. It is my opinion that the Dues should be turned into the Treasurer each week with an accounting of who paid. Then when the DL need to access them it is a simple matter of the Treasurer writing a check for the amount to the DL. Money does weird things to people. even a jar full of quarters. We use envelopes with the Den number an names on it who paid. The Treasurer includes Den finances in the finance report to the Committee.

What does he get for doing? How about the experience Bragging rights Rewarding them for absolutely everything is not a good thing.

Giving is always a bad thing. Our DE imparted a story to me. There was a very poor intercity Pack. The CM complained that they could not pay to recharter or register the boys. The DE found a benefactor to pick up the expense. That spring at the Cuboree the Pack showed up and the CM thanked the DE for the assist. While they were talking the DE noticed that Boys were spending a lot of money at the Trading Post. A couple of the young men were buying candy bars and soda's with fifty dollar bills. Every boy spent money, a lot of money in the trading post. The Point, th

Sooooooo, When did Scouting become a job? I remember doing it because I loved it. Not because dad was going to give me a car, or money. Are we that materialistic that the boys always need a reward instead of the good feeling of a job well done. What happens at 30 years old when a pay check isn't enough? Just a thought

Brent is correct the SM is the Gatekeeper. He evaluates whether the young man is ready or not. Personal finance, backpacking and physical fitness come to mind as merit badges not appropriate for an 11 year old to attempt. I would like to think the SM has the boys best interest in mind. I would also like to think the SM would assign a MBC other than a parent. Calico I have to disagree with just blindly signing cards for boys who lack the ability/time/interest to complete the MB. It isn't a roadblock it is just the process, the boys need to learn process. I pose a question to you th

In reading your post I was really concerned. But in thinking about it the trip is very short. In a nutshell, they could be going anywhere and returning to camp to sleep and spend the evening with you. I would make sure he has the firearm secured and out of sight in his personal vehicle. If he or his son harvest a deer they should not show up to camp with it draped over the hood of the car. We hike in hunting season too, Blaze orange and bear bells, they work better on hunters than bears.

I still believe it is a bad idea. I had no clue that he owned the store that he posted a link to. We all know there are bloggers whose job is to do exactly what he did. Post info about a product in forums and review the product on websites selling it. I believe his first post was way out of line. Since this was originally posted I came a crossed a story of a lady who needlessly scared the tar out of her family and wasted resources. http://postholer.com/journal/viewJournal.php?sid=f75f18070a41ae1e7d4e6c364069e8a6&entry_id=8688 IMHO it is a crutch used by people

Now is she participating in the actual meeting or merely sitting in the room. As mentioned earlier Cub Scouting is Family Scouting. I bring my daughter to every Cub scout meetings and outings. I make sure she does not participate in the den meeting, she brings her barbies and plays with another little girl at the meeting. Weeblos is a different deal, Weebs should den camp, which means the boys, no sibs no parents. Den and pack leaders.

There is a difference between earned and awarded/recognized. The boys can earn beads but they should not be awarded till the totem is earned and awarded. the same is true for arrow points for the wolf and bear ranks. They can earn them but they are not awarded till rank is earned and awarded.(This message has been edited by Basementdweller)

I can see that John completely ignored my post so I can assume I am on his ignore list. It is ridiculous to catagorically say that cubs are not ready for winter tent camping because national says so. It is a rule with in Cub scouting made to idiot proof the Cub experience. Besides what urban/suburban mom is gonna tent camp in the northern winter, not gonna happen. Remember cub camping is Family camping. Cubs aren't supposed to backpack either, My son 8 and daughter 7 Backpacked a 23 mile loop last weekend. Now ask me if it is appropriate to take a bear or weeb den o

Bending the rules??????? She should contact national and find out for sure, you saw the link to the age specific guidelines. It says no. MOST cub parents are clueless in the outdoors. Winter in the northern half of the US is dangerous. I cannot begin to tell you how many Cubs show for a winter hikes (20 degree Air temp, no wind chill) in tennis shoes and sweat pants. Growing numbers of city dwellers think shorts are ok even when the temps dip into the teens, had a mom show up to a thanksgiving hike in shorts, temp was 35. She ruined the outing for the group with her complaining

Using my son as an example. He is currently a Bear and will be turning 9 Oct 21st and he is in the third grade. It is my intention for him to have earned all the activity badges for his arrow of light by his 10th birthday. Summer camp and weeblo camps are fantastic for doing this. at the age of 10 and in the 4th grade he will have completed the AOL requirements except the tenure. So in April of His 4th grade year 6 months after turning 10 he can cross into boy scouts if he wants that is. No weeb 2 year(This message has been edited by Basementdweller)