John-in-KC

OGE: I think the cost is measured per youth member, since they are the target audience. Adults are support staff. Basement: That is a council cost per youth member. As stated, I don't think anyone calculates cost per youth member by district.

My two cents: As long as ONE National Chartered Partner is the LARGEST Chartered Partner (by a factor of 4:1 over the second largest Chartered Partner), there will be no change.

ZScout, In my Council, the Shred-It Truck comes by twice a year...

In the area I serve, the cost per Scout to deliver the program is $150 per fiscal year. Event fees cover cost of facility rental, porta-potties, supplies for the event, insurance specific to the event and as the Beav mentioned, a fee to the Council. Scout Camp fees cover food, staff salaries/housing costs, supplies (chlorine and acid for the pool...), power above the base (year-round) load...

Mr FlipFlop? I will never vote for him. My nickname for him is why. Political integrity? He has none.

Engineer61, I see your Native Americans v Europeans and raise you OT Egypt v Israel.

My two cents: The process still begins with the Scout/Venturer's SM/Adv and the boy talking about a desired skill. If the boy is inside his local Council, it's only Courteous for him to touch base with his SM over the phone. If you want to be borderline chicken**** about it, talk to your DAC. Bluntly say the camp did not follow MB starting procedures and you will not recognize the MBs. Let the DAC have some exciting times. How's about, instead, having a long SM Conference with the boy, talking about going behind the boss' back. Here, it's only some bits of cloth. He does this runaround in the workforce, and he'll be hunting for a new job...

IMO, BSA needs to be careful about teaching tourniquets in due course youth first aid (T-2-1 and FA MB). Let's let the dust settle and get the citations straight. An EMT who can make a field judgment is one thing; a 12 year old another.

Oh, Dear Lord. I guess none of you have looked at a HS marching band during football season recently. Jack is an Eagle Scout. He was from a sister Troop in our District. He and EagleSon Cubbed together, and went to different Troops for Boys. Jack, in HS, was an oboe. Well, there are no double-reeds in HS marching band in our neck of the woods. He marched as a mellophone. Jack was also a Defensive End on the Varsity football squad, and his senior year, started. At halftime, Jack sprinted to the sidelines, took off his pads and helmet, grabbed an instrument, and marched. Did he change into the band uniform? NO. Beth was a cheerleader, she was also an all-State clarinet. She wore her cheer uniform while marching. In the Army, in the field, I had Soldiers who wore mechanics coveralls, because they were working on vehicles. I had Soldiers who wore cooks' aprons, because they were cooking. I had Soldiers who wore Nomex combat vehicle uniforms, to mitigate the risk of fire. I had soldiers who wore good old BDUs. Uniforms must meet a functional/mission need, or they are useless. The OP is claiming the current BSA pants do not meet a functional need. Lisa and others say they do meet a functional need. Others back the OP and say NO. If your best arguement is uniform because it's uniform, you need to go back and think functionality. To my POV, the folks I'm reading in this thread are the ones who are debating function. That's all this old retired Artilleryman is going to say.

First, Lone Scout is NOT parent + child. The Lone Scouts' adult partner still has to arrange for a committee of three other adults to be behind him. Second, the Lone Scout lives in a District. If we're talking an urban/suburban/Scoutreach environment, I'd expect the District Commish to be talking to Lone Scout leaders: The object of the exercise is to provide resources, such as the MB program. Third, have none of you ever read "The Compleat Walker" by the late Colin Fletcher? One person can operate in either frontcountry or back. It means instead of big meals for 8, he's cooking on a backpacking stove for 1 or 2. It means he has to carry his own stuff on his back. The operating advantage of a small group over an individual is load sharing for community tasks. When you camp alone, you may only be able to move 5 miles a day instead of 10. BTW, while the new GTA still says a parent can counsel their child, I would hope the DAC has a long talk with the Lone Scout adult support, and discourage this. The discouragement is for the same reason as it would be in a Troop: Someday, that child is going to go to Business X and ask for a JOB, and he's going to meet a complete stranger, just as he would in taking a MB. If I were a member of a District Key 3, I'd be asking "Do I have any Lone Scouts registered in X District?", if the answer is yes, I'd be developing program support for them.

In the Troop I served, As CC, I never gave a BOR that evening. Never. I'd tell the Scout "A Scout is Courteous; I need the time to ask people and have them come with their heads in the game." I deferred a couple BOR's an addiitonal week ... the Scout came in grimy from athletic practice. "Let's clean up just a little, shall we?" Otherwise, BOR's were on request, most often set for 1/2 hour before opening the following week.

If your Council Registrar and your DE accepted their membership as Lone Scouts, why they are enrolled that way is no longer your responsibility. It's done, spend your time on supporting the facts of the matters as they lay. Have you had a business discussion with your District Membership Chair and/or the Council Membership chair and/or the Registrar about how YOUR COUNCIL implements the Lone Scout program? Maybe you can stop a future implementation.

Buffalo, Have you invited him offsite, together, someplace away from Scouting? Have you asked him this question burning on your heart over a friendly cup of coffee?

Information on Lone Scouts: http://www.scouting.org/about/factsheets/lonescout.aspx http://www.scouting.org/filestore/hispanic/english/14-420_ENG_WEB.pdf The Friend and Counselor book is 52 pages long. http://www.scoutingmagazine.org/issues/0110/a-lone.html Hope this helps.

FWIW, I know a unit/Chartered Partner which refused to honor a revocation letter. I know the reason the member was revoked. Scouting had good reason. Council sent a second letter, from the General Counsel and the SE, to the IH. Let's just say the content was "Stop allowing him in your door, now." The sanction laid on the table was immediate revocation of the Charter.

One of the current/former professionals can tell you if this is still current, but it's dated to 2008: http://pushies.com/documents/28-105_PMSML.pdf My advice is simple: See an attorney. An internet board, where we are all anonymous, can at best point you along the way. At worst, you risk getting yourself into deeper water. Internet Protocol (IP) numbers are traceable.

Read what Nike said earlier in this thread. Really, really consider the advice she gave. That's all I am going to say.

That he is/was a Marine is 98% irrelevant to this question. There may be marginal relevancy in any number of reasons that are not upon the table now. That's he's a good leader is relevant. That he brings much good to the table is relevant. If you choose to attack this hill (making him wear BSA uniform pants), this Scouter may take his leadership and his money to another Troop. You lose a good leader. To paraphrase Nike, Is this the hill you want to die on, today?

I still have my youth uniform. It's not being stripped. Period. My son has his youth uniform that he wore for his ECOH. It's not being stripped either. Trev: Remember when Walika would only let us have 1 flap every 3 years or so, and one necker patch per lifetime?

Taser, We don't know the State or Territory you are in. We don't know the facts of the situation. We don't know your status as a registered leader with BSA. We don't know who you are relative to this child. Good people here have spent a lot of energy trying to divine a reply. Here's what I will say: - If you are anyone but the Program Officer (CM, SM, Advisor) or the Committee Chair, and you are a Scouter without blood relation to the Scout, contact your: - Program Officer - Committee Chair - COR - IH and ask to have a business talk. Lay on the table what you saw. The Chartered Partner has a vote; they select/approve leadership. - If you are the Program Officer, CC, or COR, call a business meeting. - If you are the parent, you have two choices: -- Call Child Protective Services. Lay it out. Understand in doing this you are most likely burning bridges between you/your child, and both the Scout unit and the Chartered Partner. This is a drastic measure, not to be taken lightly. Make a decision coldly and rationally that you want to walk this trail -- Call your unit COR. Ask for a business meeting with the: - Program Officer - Committee Chair - COR - IH At that meeting, lay on the table what happened to your child. Ask for corrective measures. Others here have given you great advice. Read it, quietly and calmly. Get to a coldly rational place in your mind when you do. I wish you well.

I absolutely despise those who turn the noun (gift) into the verb (to gift)! The noun is gift. The verb is give. Grrrr. We gave our Guide ... course completions and chances to bead us. We gave our Guide ... a better network for his Scouting activities. That's enough at the end of the day

Pack, Supply Corporation? Common Sense? No, the weights I referred to were commercially available.

A re-roof job is IMO capital maintenance. Roofs are supposed to last up to 40 years. It may be cyclic for the donor, but it's a major muscle group for a 15 year old. I'd also be looking very carefully at the safety issues of a roofing job. I've been on my father-in-law's roof. Not so easy...

Sounds like the District Activity Operations Committee should invest $60 for 5 oz of NIST approved field calibration weights, and then have them available for loan to Packs, and for the District PW event as well.

Is it Tuesday? Is this Belguim?