John-in-KC

Councils have forced switches of chartered partners ... when the partner wasn't. Rare, but it happens.

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Cook 2 of five. That sounds like TWO. Use a different technique for each. That sounds like broil for one (campfire), casserole/soup the other (or other method) Cook a third meal using DO, foil pack, or kabob. That is clearly another hot meal. Three meals, hot. I see nothing that says execute the other two that were planned. Reading Requirement 5 from scouting dot org, the plain language equates to 3 meals and a dessert OR snack.

Stosh, I wasn't, this time, saying send a DC. I was saying the Troop which supports a Pack, wins the boys. Invite them on a short hike (1-2 miles). Do a Webelos Pin event with them. Do a Cub Scout Letter program with them ... tie it into skills for a merit badge. Let your youth be creative in thinking about how! Have fun.

Godspeed.

Observation: The Troop that does the best support of a Pack tends to get the boys, no matter any "enforced" relationship. Here, @@Stosh supports the 2 troops in getting the youth to AOL, and whoa, he gets not quite half of the "available" youth and 1/4 of the total youth. It's the deploy Den Chiefs story all over again

I make no comment about the Scout, his parents, and his participation or lack thereof. I leave that to the people on the ground: SM, Troop Committee, UC, District Advancement Chair, Council Advancement Adviser.

The correct procedure is in the Guide to Advancement. If the Scout is denied a Scoutmaster Conference, a "Disputed Circumstances" situation begins. See pages 59-60 of the GTA:

In fact, in my OA handbook (given me in 1970), it said something about adult nominations were not to be construed an honor, rather to be in support of furtherance of the Order's youth objectives.

Moderator's Note: Thank you for keeping this thread away from I&P. Please, let's keep it that way.

Weeeeellllllllllll..... It is not a byproduct, it is a method, and it's the method the National Council places lots of resources onto. That said, advancement is designed to happen naturally, not as a forced march.

Welcome @@UncleP I'm with others here. If you are the man in your nephew's life, and I assume you are, focus him on the basics: Learning to sleep under the stars, learning to hike, becoming physically fit, learning first aid, learning to cook. To my mind, all of those are essential skills for adulthood. Learning them in the grand game is a great way to develop them (BTW, last night I did steaks on the grill, a skill from my own Scouting time nearly a half century ago). If I had to rank order the skills I learned as a youth, they'd be... - Fieldcraft (cooking, camping, hiking). - Aquatics (swimming and lifesaving). - First Aid. If he masters these three areas, and the unit does a lot of quality camping, he'll be hooked on Scouting for life. Then, it's truly not a race, but a journey. Let him find the main road, as well as all the byways. Scouting has a lot of great byways. They're worth exploring and enjoying.

Funny. I thought B-P himself developed the element of the Scout Law "A Scout is Friendly." That's a comment on all too many Scouts and Scouters, btw...

For any who are interested, Here is the National Camp Accreditation Program top page at ScoutSource. Click here to read or download the BSA National Camp Standards, #430-056 Click here to get the change pages for the 2016 season The files are not attached to this because the base standards are too big to upload here. This topic will be pinned through the camping season. It's an information only topic, and closed to comments.

What the what? Our Council chooses to use only the Cub Scout Family Camp option as found in the National Camps Standards. It's a 1/1 adult/child experience. Our council does 2 days, 1 night, "day camp on steroids". We welcome them, do a flag opening, get them to our open air dining shelter, do the esstential talking (safety briefs and such), do the emergency drills, then have lunch. Program day 1 is four stations, including our pirate ship "aquatics" area (really more a water park). Day 1 is B-Bs, carpentry (toolbox), rope making, and time playing in our castle. After dinner, open time at the water park and trading post, then campfire. Day 2 is archery, an obstacle course (checked out by the Regional COPE director for age appropriateness to 9 year olds), "The Lost Mine" (another play activity), and the water park. The afternoon is some belt loop time, then closing and away they go. Did I mention it's hot in the summer in Kansas City? ;-)

As long as the youth members learn the right lesson ... and I'm sorely afraid this election cycle will not teach those lessons ... I'm all in favor of our youth learning citizenship by doing. Sadly, this is the election cycle of the ad hominem attack, and I think we will have to push "A Scout is Friendly" on the youth in discussing how we select who we will vote fore.

I'm not talking the little stuff. I'm talking the fires in Utah set by unsupervised youth members stuff. I'm talking sexual abuse stuff. Go to google. Type in Boy Scouts of America liability lawsuit judgment Watch the results roll out

Actually, four (one of which is a group): If someone gives a kid a James E West Fellowship, that's lifelong. If the kid gets a heroism award, that's lifelong.

I'm not defending our friends in Irving, but stupidity has cost the BSA MILLIONS over the last 20 years in liablity payout. As @@Beavah has reminded us time and again, BSA is self-insured for the first million each incident. Those liability dollars out came from something else, generally called program and support.

As far as non-advancement awards go, look to REQUIREMENTS. It lists everything the National Council or a Local Council can award for the youth program.

I cannot get to it. You have no metadata tagged on your website, so my ISP auto-blocks it.

Before our District divided in two, our keys to RT success were: 1) ONE STOP SHOP for unit service needs. On the Cub side, day camp, Webelos Woods, training events were all plugged and information supported at RT. In addition, a Professional was available to take any paperwork which needed to go to Council. The format was a model pack meeting under the theme, 2 months out. On the Boy side, the Advancement Committee did ELSP reviews/sign-offs (this is before 2015), OA had the chapter meeting, and the Professionals were not allowed to speak. RT is a PROGRAM operation of the commissioner service, not an adjunct of the professional service. 2) PROGRAM support, 2 months out. 3) FOS, Popcorn, etc ... those could be break-outs or tables, but they were not plenary session material. Sadly, the Dir of Fld Svc finally forced us to let the professionals have time, and attendance went on the skids. Scouting is a labor of love by volunteers, unit serving, district serving, and council serving. When volunteers get treated like employees (sans pay), well ... most of us can find place where we are cherished for our volunteer service.

Praying, them and you.

From Bryan on Scouting. For your reading and consideration.

Beavah nails it (WELCOME BACK, by the way!!!) Look for the things which can really hurt a kid. Then, either be watchful as they do their thing, or work with the youth to reduce the risk, by modifying the activity a smidge, by adjusting a rule, by reducing the team size... Many more than one way to skin a cat...