John-in-KC

This is a time for a friendly unit commissioner to have a friendly cup of coffee talk with the IH or COR. Emphasize friendly, courteous, kind. Don't get yourself into the middle. If IH still says go hard, you don't have a choice. Chartered Partner is the owner of record of the license, you do what the IH/COR tell you to do. One other option is to coordinate with the Treasurer of the Charterd Partner and let them be the heavies.

Lisa, I wish your son had mentioned that to the Scoutmaster or Camp Scoutmaster. Had I been in those roles, the Camp Director, PD, and I would be having a friendly cup of coffee, while I demanded some counseling for the staffer and some 1/1 "get well" time from the area head. What that camp staffer did was simply inexcusable. Staff serves to support the paying guests, aka "Camper Timmy"!

Agree with Neil, Jet. Not even a February-March-April laydown (89 days for the 3 months) gets him across the threshhold.

Tom Peters uses as one of his management mantras "Train and retrain constantly." While I disagree about setting aside my beads (and especially so outside the course environment), what is so wrong about taking a tax-deductible training course, meeting good people, and getting a chance to conciously do things to improve yourself and Scouting?

What exactly do you mean by an AOL kit? When EagleSon was a Cub, his AoL consisted of his AoL. Period. It's not Eagle, it's not a controlled item (other than the Advancement Report). You buy the patches at your Scout Shop.

At home, later in the day. Page 29 of ACP&P governs. Based on the l/h column of the page, if all is done (and that includes the palm SM conference), prior to the 18th birthday, some latitude is allowed in the BOR. I would check with your local Council Registrar and District/Council Advancement Chair. What's actually done by your Council may not look identical to what's in the BSA publication. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Speaking for myself, I'd be asking why a young man is so hard over for recognition at 18 to get one more palm on his Eagle. At that point, other forms of recognition should be kicking in... be they lettering, admission to college, scholarships, student council... and the ordinary respect of a young adult's peers.

Read ACP&P #33088. It's pretty definitive. The other option is call your District Advancement Chair. He/she should be pretty forthright on this. I don't have it with me today.

What Council is Redlands CA? It seems to me the SE needs to have a short talk with his Council Commissioner (and President too), then push his Commissioners into the field: Simple lesson: A Scout is Courteous. I think a blunt letter from the SE to each and every IH and COR is also called for. I've made my decision on voting, and it won't be for Obama. That said, I'm also not going to boo the man. I counsel Cit in Nation. My job as Counselor is NOT to declare my beliefs, it's to help kids discover how we think the system works. Sigh.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

Years and years ago, from a retirement ceremony I saw as a Scout, the logic in cutting the field from the stripes was the flag was no more, but rather two pieces of cloth needing to be destroyed. Again, nothing required.

Gunny, One of our Scout Camps does Flag Retirement as part of a campfire for Cub Scouts. Because of how we structure the ceremony, we can burn anywhere from 3-10 a ceremony. In fact, our OA Lodge did just what you suggested, and even went above and beyond: They had someone standing and saluting constantly the whole time. I think the operative words are "with dignity."

You can tell her "That is an ancient earth crockery jar of bovine excrement and it stinks." The flags at the Capitol are flown because the box says "flown at the US Capitol." Up. Tie off, untie, down... NEXT! Sheesh

Vicki, I got a couple PMs from scoutingtexas. I think that was the source of my gender assignment.

Welcome to the Forums, Toby. Since scoutingtexas has withdrawn from the conversation, I agree there might have been an issue to address. That said, she was an Assistant Scoutmaster. She works for the Troop under the supervision of the Scoutmaster. She has three recourses if she has issue with how the SM does things: - Do nothing. - Discuss the issue quietly with the SM. - Resign the position and raise the issue in a more formal and structured setting with the Committee Chair and/or the COR. Anything else is backstabbing. If the issue involved immediate matters of YP, then the right answer is report the matter to the SE and butt out. If you were a SM, would you want a gossip behind you as one of your ASMs? There are ways to be friendly, courteous, kind and loyal, even while being trustworthy and brave.

Try Scoutstuff.org, and look for one of the National Supply Service shops. Contact the manager, explain the problem. See what he/she has to say. Beyond that, I'd also ask your Unit Commissioner/District Commissioner/District Executive for the contact for your District or Council Special Needs Committee folk. They might have some ideas.

Everything Beavah said. Both the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the American Legion can make pretty good Chartered Partners. If you're the Committee Chair, it might be worth going and having a cup of coffee with them (or perhaps something a little stronger). Good hunting.

Citizenship in the Nation Citizenship in the World Railroading Coin Collecting. I've done photography in the past, and helped with cooking. ETA: Our Council Advancement Committee restricts folks to six badges at any moment in time.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

I remember the Cub Scout sign being used pretty generously, without a growled "Signs UP!" I also remember Mom having a talking-to with me when I wasn't the greatest, but she was still Den Mother. That wasn't fun...

Agree with Gold Winger. If the SM and CC are not cross-talking and sharing something of a common vision and goals, the resolver is the COR.

A Cub Scout Follows Akela A Cub Scout helps the Pack GO The Pack helps the Cub Scout GROW A Cub Scout gives goodwill. Beyond that, I like the idea of a talking stick. Beyond that, I also endorse getting your Tiger Den away from the others. 8 kids with parents is more than enough for one room.

Welcome to the Forums. Gold Winger said it: Have a quiet visit with the Committee Chair. Be able to discuss what, when and where. Don't focus on your Scout, ensure you can cite other instances involving other Scouts. Then, step aside and let the CC earn his Scouting paycheck

10-12-08 bump for OldGrayOwl.

http://www.navair.navy.mil/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.contact_us I'll leave more details to my Naval brethren here. Remember, this is the post-9/11 military. At Fort Leavenworth, where I work, a Scout Troop needs a fair bit of front-end coordination to get on post. Here's the thread we did on the general subject a few months back: http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=172912 I'll bump it to the top. It's in the Camping Forum. Call the local Council; contact one of the Scoutmasters on the base (many bases have more than one Troop). He'll tell you if the right path is through Base Public Affairs or Base Security. If you go, have fun, and then tell us what procedures actually were used at Pax River. It'll help someone else.(This message has been edited by John-in-KC)

There have been some serious and wholly preventable accidents in recent years involving Scouts and parade floats. Here's what the Guide to Safe Scouting says: Parade Floats and Hayrides The BSA rule prohibiting the transportation of passengers in the backs of trucks or on trailers may be tempered for parade floats or hayrides, provided that the following points are strictly followed to prevent injuries: Transportation to and from the parade or hayride site is not allowed on the truck or trailer. Those persons riding, whether seated or standing, must be able to hold on to something stationary. Legs should not hang over the side. Flashing lights must illuminate a vehicle used for a hayride after dark, or the vehicle must be followed by a vehicle with flashing lights. Reference: Health and Safety Guide, No. 34415 Italics are by me and connote emphasis, they do not denote National policy. Whatever you do, keep your Cubs SAFE (DA##IT) This is a hot button of mine. I serve the local PTA as a volunteer at the HS, support safe driving practices, including seat belting. The best editorial cartoonist none of you will ever know was killed on the Ventura Freeway in 1972. Kevin was in the bed of a pickup that had a wreck. He went flying at 55MPH and did not survive impact. I've read tales here of Cubs being crushed under trailer wheels. Do this smartly, if you're going to do it. Keep the children safe.

I learned this as a round, over 30 years ago: Seek ye first the kingdom of God, and His Righteousness. And all these things shall be added unto you, Al-leu-Alleluia. Source is Matthew 6:33 (in context Matt 6:28-34): "And why do you worry about clothes? See how the lilies of the field grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? So do not worry, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own." Gold Winger nailed it. Everyone tries to claim God for their own, Lisa. Each of us, individually, has to pray and discuss with God where they see His will, and then act on it. With politicians, I look at actions and positions, not words and claims.

CP, That's exactly why I advocate the Scoutmaster or Committee Chair bootleg front-ending the DAC. Failure is an option ... when failure can set or reinforce an appropriate and valuable lesson. When the absorbed lesson of failure is "my superiors allow me to waste my time and spin my wheels", we're not helping an Eagle hatch out. Instead, we're developing a cynic. Out in the workforce, do we know bosses who want us wasting time to less than useful purpose? The last time a peer was accused of that in my office, he got a pay cut. Bosses want time used productively, and are willing to assist in project development with a judicious phone call or two. We say the Troop is a microcosm of a society. Do we mean that, or do we not?