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Good morning ASM915, First, Be delicate so as not to upset "his honor" Next, let me know that BSA rules prohibit scouts from participating in this type of thing, particularly while in uniform. But, you could ask the scouts if anyone wants to help him, they should be encouraged as this type of thing would be good citizenship, but they would have to be in street clothes, not uniforms. All the best, G

Lisa is a good ol' Bobwhite Her posts here are usu'lly right We may not agree Nor eye to eye see So right now I wish her good night!

Lisa, I agree that many atheists may benefit from the program. The problem is, they don't qualify for membership. See my post about the "Tall Club" that is, short people couldn't join. With BSA, non-believers can't join either. I'm sure non-believers would enjoy camping, tying knots, lighting fires, cooking, etc. You went on to say: "why can't we allow atheist children to join the program and benefit from that exposure through whatever religious elements currently exist in our program?" This is pretty simple, because the BSA doesn't allow it. I'll conceed that your suggesti

If you still have some resistance, you could ask the parents a series of questions leading them to YES answers like: You do want a boy led troop, don't you? You do want to boys to learn to do for themselves, don't you? You do want boys to EARN their advacement, don't you?

ASM915, thanks, that made me laugh Thank you for the com-pli-ment When camping I sleep in a tent Half Irish I am And not very tan From Puerto Rico my grand dad was sent

Trevorum, Apology noted and accepted, thank you. It is not my intent to incite riotous debate, rather healthy debate. I appreciate your posts and information, thank you for helping me and others withyour knowledge of the Religious Relationships Committee. In a recent post, you said: "On the other hand, there is no list of acceptable faiths for individual membership. Any person is welcome to join, regardless of faith, as long as that person professes a belief in (a) god(s). But note that "BSA does not define what constitutes belief in God" This effectively means that all beliefs ar

According to National's website, it says in part: "Virtually every religion is represented in the Boy Scouts of America, from Catholics and Protestants, to the Armenian Church of America and Zoroastrians. The Religious Relationships Committee, which includes over 30 religious groups represented in Scouting, determines whether a religion is an appropriate partner for Scouting, and reviews any duty to God material which is to be used in Scouting for consistency with Boy Scout policies." I must believe that wicca, witchcraft, paganism, maybe some other isms out there are "unacceptable".

You don't. Simply have a better program, better boy led leadership and explain that parents are to enable the plan, not conduct the plan. That is, parents guide the PLC to some extent, drive to the outing, maybe teach a new skill once and supervise. Let parents know that they are welcome, but they don't recognize their son on the outings. Sure, greet, see how they're doing, but don't cook for your kid. Don't solve your kids problems. Don't put up or take down any scout's gear, etc.

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OK gents, I said "basically the same thing" not exactly the same thing. The main point here is that when a person is prescribed a medication, they should take it as prescribed. Not so much a disc ussion of ADD/ADHD vs. Asperger's and the similarities and differences.

GWD, You can't please everyone. Last fall, I was my son's Web II DL, took the WEB I and II on a campout, had lots of parents, the other DL, about 25-26 people in all, charged $9 or $10, had a good menu. I noticed that a couple brought their son, but the kid (let's call him Johnny) didn't eat much and the parents didn't eat at all, though they paid for food. In this mix was also a a Hindu mom and her son. She mentioned that they are vegetarians, and asked if i cold plan accordingly. Knowing in advance, of course. In stead of beef stew, they had veggie stew and some pasta on the

LongHaul, The only point I ws trying make in the other thread is that BSA has a set of rules, let's follow them. If a requirement for advancemnt said "build a fire using no more than 2 matches, prepare and cook you meal" does the scout earn the sign offif he uses a box of matches., No, not even if he used 3 as 3>2. But if he used 2 and then used flint and steel, i'd sign it off, used 2 matches and improvised with flint and steel (it doesn't say he couldn't). If a requirement for joining BSA is be a boy 11 years old, but a 9 year old wanted to join, well, we both know you'd send h

To All, Apparently, I've been misunderstood. Lisa (and Merlyn) If atheists join BSA, doesn't the applicant agree to live by the Scout Oatha dn Law? Not just give some lip service to earn badges and go camping? And oh yeah, become an Eagle Scout who happens to be an atheist. I disagree that allowing atheists would be a good position. One must agree to live by the Scout Oath and Law, can't do it if the applicant is an atheist. I don't think BSA is particularly "religious", but that it's members agree to believe in God, any God, your God, my God, whatever God the member or applica

Lisa, Merlyn I didn't mean to hijack the thread, it's about threads being closed, not DRP, God, merlyn, "we", etc. So, PM if you'd like to discuss it further.

LisaBob, Fair enough, I tried to edit, but can't, so I'll ammend my previous post to say "most of us don't". I'll concede that nothing is unanimous. Didn't realize I stepped on your toes too. I believe that Duty to God is a vital part of what we believe, not a duty to some nothingness. Merlyn I think BSA is OK the way it is. On other threads, I mention that I'd like to see changes, many of us would. Many, as Lisa points out, don't agree with the DRP. However, DRP is on the application, isn't it? don't we agree to support the DRP? I could be wrong. I think the only BSA uni

Somehow, the kid, his family and troop will know the truth. In the U.S. Navy, when a sailor is promoted to the rank of Chief Petty Officer, he (or she) must go through an initiation process lasting about a month. Some silly games, other fraternity like stuff. If a Navy Chief decides to not go through the initiation, word gets around. There is no respect for this individual, respect is earned, not given. Essentially, the non-participating Chief is black-balled. He'll get his own version of being black balled, it will take some time. No kid needs to be a special case. Join at 11

Mmmm, Raccoon, a little greasy, but it tastes like chicken.

Merlyn, Here's the rub: BSA is a private organization, ......... But, I disagree that BSA gets priviledged use, gay and lesbian clubs are on school campuses, but the religious groups can't meet (or have a difficult time to meet), that doesn't seem fair. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, all I'm saying is that I don't agree with Ed where he said "His sole purpose, in my opinion, is to destroy Scouting as we know it and that bothers me." I just don't think it's your SOLE purpose. It's our SOUL (spelling intended) to keep BSA membership the way it is. I'm sure some atheists ha

I'm doing OK, I just had a f'dollah bill, not a fitty dollah bill

Some scouters like wit as Haiku It's something this scouter just won't do I like the rhymes in lim'rick They're clever, witty and slick Any other simply just won't do

A devoted scouter named Kudu Lengthy posts and comments he would do A student of Powell As he said with a scowl Tradition and old ways we must do! Kudu, I really appreciate your fondness for the way it was. I really wish we could go back too. As I've mentioned, I joined BSA in '72 or 73, we had an outdoor troop (with outdoor patrols). We did everything by patrol. I never owned a coleman lantern until my wife on one of our campouts "can we have more light?, So I put tw logs on the fire and waited. She pointed to another campsite and said, "that's nice, but light like theirs"

Save the Burros! Save the Burros! Viva los Burros! I'd bring back skill awards and make advancement more rigorous. Tenderfoot is probably OK now, but Second class and up needs to be tougher.

gwd, My wife says that the more tired I get at night, the more the "Chicagoese" comes out, like "All's I got in my wallet is a fi'dollah bill."

I think I'd also add a small notebook, pencil, some current MB pamphlets, and a vintage handbook. Old skills come in handy and the MB handbooks, well, for working on MB's. Maybe a small book on astonomy, birds, local plants, small books, pamphlets really, they may come in handy.

DanKroh, I'm glad we agree and disagree. I suppose I completely overlooked (in this discussion) the adult under-diagnosis. Wasn't trying to imply that teachers are diagnosing, rather, teachers do everything they can to not diagnose. I think teachers don't want to "deal" with a kid who might be re-directed. I'm not sure what your area of discipline is, buthow bout this: I'll stick with my table, you stick with your couch. No offense intended, we can't (IMO) continue in this in an online forum, it's too complicated. Best done in person. I help lots of people, I refer out ma