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  1. I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers with some of you, but here goes: Why does it seem lately that campfire programs must include a flag retirement? I've been involved with scouting for over 20 years. Lately it seems that campfire programs include Flag Retirement ceremonies. I know we are now in a more patriotic period, but I believe scouts, and cubs in particular are too young for flag retirement ceremonies. In my opinion, our youth need to see Old Glory going up a pole, not going up in smoke. Let's leave Flag Retirement ceremonies for the American Legion, VFW or some other veterans group. Our council recently had Webelos Woods where a poorly planned campfire program included a flag retirement. I recently retired from the Armed Forces and had never been to a flag retirement. I had never before seen one as a scout or leader, but I saw one 2 weeks ago. The participants presented a dignified ceremony with nice patriotic things to say. I admit, I sobbed like a kid. I believe the scouts and cubs are just too young, they can not handle or understand the gravity of Flag Retirement. Having a Flag Retirement at campfire programs will have everyone leave the fire feeling down, sad and depressed, I did. Shouldn't we have skits, songs and jokes and be happy? I just read another post in a different thread that a cub pack is or was planning a Flag Retirement for their outing. If we keep this up, it may become common place and might lose (or diminish) its meaning, like a cap and grown graduation ceremony for kindergarten, nursery school, 6th grade, etc. How can we discourage Flag Retirements at the cub scout / boy scout level? Thank you.
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    Cub Family Camp in the rain

    Rather than planning something for your pack only, volunteer to help staff the event. Plan many of the suggested items, but, try to incorporate them for the whole event and not just your pack. For my part, it doesn't rain the the Boy Scouts, it rains ON the Boy Scouts. Don't play with lightning, have a back up plan.
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    Remember the Skill Awards

    Eagle92, Thanks for additional clarity. In my youth, scouts wore web belts with the skill awards, but, once a scout went to Philmont, he had the option to wear a leather belt.
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    Old scout hat

    You paid $37? I'll give you $40
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    Patch Placement on New Uniform

    Perfect example of why this isn't a very well designed uniform.
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    Remember the Skill Awards

    Brotherhoodwww: Let's see, Stevejb is writing about them in his blog and taught them as SM Desertrat77 said that he recalled the instant recognition CHLees3rd observed that they marked milestones on a scout's way to his rank and that relative to hiking SA that a heavy dose of the skill was involved, not just a check in the box. He also commented the his old SM and SPL used other boy leaders to teach skills to other newer scouts. In another post, he commented on the long term memory and recall of the skill. Eagle92 focused on skill mastery before going on to another skill award. Eaglescout96 said that one scout could see another's skill award and ask him for help if needed. (presumably, because he had mastered the skill) Horizon commented that he misses them as a scoutmaster now, but used his leadership corps (Eagle scouts) to teach the skills. I recall how they reinforced a skill, not just doing the requirement once, but really driving home the skill. Skill awards provided for boy leadership and instant recognition. I guess the reason they don't seem to work quite as well for cub scouts MAY be that scouts are not doing the teaching and that there isn't mastery of a skill. Cub scouts can do an activity and get a belt loop. Sorry you seem bitter about this. If I had a magic wand, I would implement the old Skill Award program immediately. Skill awards provided for boy leadership, quick recognition and skill mastery. Isn't boy leadership part of boy led, boy run?
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    Remember the Skill Awards

    Skill awards were awesome! They provided for instant recognition AND boy leadership. Our patrol leaders taught the skills and signed them off. SM or SPl presented the belt loop at that meeting or the next meeting.
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    Campout and Oversleeping

    I disagree with SctDad about keeping non-perishable food on hand, If the scout didn't wake up, he's out of luck. The message here is "why get up, I can sleeep and still eat, I don't even have to cook or clean... SWEET!" If he can get up for school, he can get up on a campout. Loud noises or banging pots and pans is OK, but I don't like dropping tents, especially nowadays, some are really expensive.
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    NASA - Moneyhole!

    Gern, There are lots of things that happen that are not "in" the constitution. Remember this about privatizing social security, GWB only wanted to allow you, if you wanted to participate, to privatize 2%. And that's if you wanted to participate.
  10. Roasted Chicken I like to take 2 whole chickens, place them in the oven, season with garlic and pepper (McCormick's Montreal Chicken is great) and then add your favorite veggies, potatoes, carrots, broccoli, asparagus, onion, whatever, if the lid doesn't quite fit, that's OK, it will settle, place on a bed of 15-20 coals, 12 on top, after 40 minutes, start a new pile of coals, 20 minutes later, add fresh coals on top and under oven. after 2 hours total, use a meat thermometer to measure for 165 deg F.
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    NASA - Moneyhole!

    Wow, a post by Merlyn in a non-atheism related thread, and even more rare, I actually agree with him . . . . this time! I heard Obama on the radio today say that he plans to send man to an asteroid, an asteroid? Any manned flight to Mars is a death sentence. There would be no way to get anyone back from the surface of mars.
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    uniform tents

    When families pick out their own tents, I have found that they tend to go to the cheapest place and get a $20 tent that leaks like cheese cloth. I think troop owned tents make sense. Everyone in the troop kows how to set them up, take them down, to care for them and so on.
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    1st Amendment and BSA

    Rent? you gotta be kidding!
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    Is it just me or has Yann disappeared?
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    1st Amendment and BSA

    NJ C S, I'm glad you have ruled that YOU decided it's unconstitutional! I thought it was the SCOTUS, at least since 1803 in it's landmark ruling in Marbury vs Madison. It's settled, NJCubScouter has spoken! I hope the remaining 12-15 schools that charter units will stop, then and apparently only then will this matter be put to rest.
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    Teaching GPS to kids

    I wish someone would teach GPS to me. I guess I'll find a club
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    1st Amendment and BSA

    Again Merlyn, it's not so much the school running the private club, but rather, providing a place for the club to meet. I don't think the principal is cubmaster or that the receptionist is the treasurer. Schools have provided a place for the scout units, GBLT clubs (which I'm personally opposed to, but in fairness - they meet), Fellowship of Christian Athletes and so on. If your group want to meet
  18. In our case, I suggested to the mom that he wait until he was a little older and a little stronger before he go backpacking again. Mom became upset and insisted he go on all trips. I was astounded! He couldn't carry his pack. This scout was too weak. All I'm saying.
  19. It wasn't an issue with the doctor, but, the troop wanted to backpack, so we did. One boy was too skinny and weak, he literally dropped his pack on the trail because he couldn't carry it. One of the older boys was a football lineman and carried two packs. We rigged the boys pack and a stick, but it was still "too heavy". It was a short trip, but he was just too weak. A scout should be able to carry his own pack or not go. Just my opinion.
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    1st Amendment and BSA

    Merlyn, I'll concede, atheists have rights. But, only the same rights as the rest of us, not extra rights. Atheists do not have a right to join a private club, that is a privledge.
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    1st Amendment and BSA

    But, it seems OK if the scout unit is chartered to "Friends of ___"
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    Missing fundraising money

    NLDScout, I understand, but at somepoint, common sense should prevail. Having scouts take the stand will drive a huge wedge between the parents of those scouts and NancyB
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    Inappropriate behavior?

    This is not a good situation.