Gold Winger

Oh dear, a liberal inclusionist. I notice that you don't denouce the Muslims for being misogynistic or xenophobic. Nah, that wouldn't be PC would it. That said, I don't agree with that boy's pastor blabbing nor do I agree with the "stripping of honors" ceremony because under BSA policy, once granted an award cannot be revoked. So that boy is still an Eagle Scout. However, I do wonder why he went along with it. It not the military where they cut off your buttons. Maybe he wanted the attention.

"So are you telling me that if I want to wear my military rucksack to a Cub Scout outting then I am wrong" Yep. There's the famous (infamous) Roy Williams memo that clearly states that military field gear is not to be used and that camouflage is prohibited. Of course this rule is widely and openly flaunted. I wear an Alice butt pack for day hikes. My camp shovel is a Bundeswehr entrenching tool. Strangely, the two camp shovels offered by ScoutStuff are cheap copies of military shovels. I wear a surplus Wooly-pully when hiking. My camping sewing kit is Brit milsurp. I use a GI 2 qt. canteen because even with cover, it weighs less than two lexan bottles. Yep, even I, the rule guy, break some of the rules that have nothing to do with playing the game.

Like many of the uniform rules, this one is often ignored From the insignia guide, "The general rule is that badges awarded by organization other than the [bSA] may not be won on an official uniform. . . . There are, however, notable exceptions. Among them are religious emblems and those special badges approved by local councils in conjunction wth the national Program Group Committee such as Historic Trails medals." That said, getting ripped off leaves a bad taste in your mouth. Some one else suggested contacting the AG. I'd do that. Maybe even the Postal Inspector since you mailed the check. I'm pretty sure that this would be considered wire fraud (http://assembler.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00001343----000-.html). Maybe the FBI would be willing to spend a few minutes to help a Scout troop. Check this out, http://www.ic3.gov/ I agree with the others, find a substitute patch and move on while the authorities handle it.

" The mantra of "special rights" and "special treatment" is utter bullpuckey and is the last refuge of a dying breed of backwards thinking bigots (which is my opinion, of course)." Now, that's not very Scoutlike unless Gunny agrees with you and then it will be okay.

Oh, oh. Sarcasm. Careful or Gunny might come after you.

Oh, oh. . . now you're going to get it. You've used the "r" word.

I don't expect special treatment for my customs and traditions. If you want to come here, learn English and don't expect me to deal with your "customs." It's all pretty simple.

When it comes to games, I'm a rules guy. Get caught cheating, you're disqualified. Pretty simple. Let the father explain to his that because he was so fixated on winning the he excluded the boy from the process.

.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)

Where did I say that I enjoyed it? I said that I was amused, there is a difference. Where did I "admit" that I chased him away on purpose? Wife? As the man once said, "I don't suffer fools gladly." In any case, thank you for being the Deportment Police, we appreciate your valiant efforts. BTW, there's no need to buy the insignia guide, it's now online.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)

I don't care for instant. I don't usually care for the bag either. I don't minded warmed up coffee. I turn the burner off after my coffee brews so that it doesn't spend hours being heated. Second and third cups, just pop it in the radar box for about 20 seconds. Drink it the next day? Nah. Well, only if I really need the jolt. Don't like hazelnut or vanilla coffee. No cream. No sugar. Can't stand Starbucks coffee.

"One is making good cheese," Now that you've offended the entire state of Wisconsin, I hope that you're not claiming that the English make anything edible that is good. To borrow from Poirot, "The English don't have the cuisine, they have the food." :-)

I was driving up a suburban road and hit a deep pothole (chuck hole to some). I looked into the mirror and saw a hubcap spinning off into the weeds. I went up to the next intersection, turned around, came back and parked in the parking lot of the coffee shop by the chuck hole. I got out in the rain and started searching through the weeds. Suddenly a fellow appears, seemingly out of no where. "Your hub cap is over there," he says while pointing. Sure 'nuff there it was. He explained that he was sitting there in his car waiting for a co-worker and say it fly off. I offered to buy him a cup of coffee but he declined, saying that he associate was late so that guy would be buying coffee and dinner. :-) He could have sat there, nice and dry in his car, laughing at the idiot who couldn't find his hub cap but he didn't.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)

Make out a large check to "Gold Winger" and I'll use the funds to travel the world as a Scouting ambassador on two wheels. :-) Actually, I think that Gunny's on the right track even if he does eat puppies :-)

"The protein in the egg will coagulate and hold the coffee grinds this is how you clear a consume." I'll be danged, I've always wondered why egg shells would settle the grounds. I've also read that a little cold water will cause the grounds to settle but I've never tried it. Camping coffee? Fill the drip coffee maker with water, dump a bunch of Eye-talian roast into it and light off the stove. One thing that I've learned over the years is that it is difficult to convince people to use more grounds instead of less. "oh, that will be too strong" followed by "Your coffee is good, what's your secret."

Not me alone, as I said, "we." Not proud but amused. I officiated youth and adult sports for over two decades. I'm always amused by people who think that they know what the rules are but really don't have a clue. He falls into the same category as the twits who think that a high school b-baller can't rebound the ball after shooting. For you it might be the idiots that watch a couple movies and then want to tell you about what the Marine Corps is like. You say, "no, we really don't have to eat puppies" and they want to argue because their sister's boyfriend's cousin knows a guy. . . I'm strongly opinionated and I've been incorrect (never on a diamond or a hardwood court :-) ) but if someone can give me chapter and verse, I admit that I was maistaken. I won't say, "I don't want to tell you that you're wrong but you are." Mean, nah. . . that wasn't mean. Saying Chesty Puller wore a bra is mean. :-) Now, I'd better run . . .

Methinks we frightened the original poster away. He cam to get advice on how to bring up uniforming with his SM and instead we told him his ideas didn't fly. Lah me.

Back in my day, it was called WeLOT, Webelos Leader Outdoor Training.

O K L A H O M A! Great musical about about a flat state. :-) Actually, I've had some good fun in Oklahoma. Come to think of it, I've usually managed to have fun just about everywhere I've been. Welcome! You are to be applauded for accepting the challenge of being Cubmaster. My advice: Read the books. Go to training. You have to buy into the silliness of Scouting or you'll spoil it for the boys. Silliness? Sure, the goofy songs, the cheers, the silly games. It goes on through Boy Scouts and if the adults don't buy into it, the boys won't. I'm known for dancing on the tables at summer camp and I'm 6'2" and at the time I weighed 280. Dignity? Only when required. Goofy fun? Whenever possible. Feel free to ask questions. Enjoy.

You're not making me angry, you're frustrating me. That's not the Historian patch. That's the MUSICIAN patch. Read the Insignia Guide. It's at http://www.scouting.org/media/insigniaguide/06C.aspx Here, I'll paste it in for you. Librarian,, cloth, No. 00432, Boy Scout, left sleeve, position 3. Quartermaster, cloth, No. 00431, Boy Scout, left sleeve, position 3. Scribe, cloth, No. 00430, Boy Scout, left sleeve, position 3. It's the same for every "badge of office" with the exception of "Musician" probably because a boy can be Historian and a Musician at the same time. Are those enough facts for you?

"..leadership patches such as SM,ASM,JSM,JASM,PL,APL all belong on the LEFT sleeve. Job patches such as etc.....these are not leadership positions and belong on Right sleeve. Only leadership positions belong on the LEFT sleeve." Where on Earth do you get this? If you poke your nose into the Insignia Guide, you'll see that for EVERY position, including Bugelar,Scribe,Quartermaster,Historian and Chaplin the indicated position is the LEFT SLEEVE in Position 3. The only similar patch that goes on the right sleeve is the "Musician" patch. "that patch is the ending of the Historian position and it is on the LEFT sleeve right below the Patrol patch and the American flag," No, in the back of the book, it shows SPL on the LEFT SLEEVE under the Troop number. On the RIGHT sleeve is the MUSICIAN patch under the patrol emblem. Those are the proven facts. It is all in the BOOK. Evidently, your research didn't include reading any BSA publications. Sheesh!

According to my doctor, snoring and sleep apnea are not synonymous. I snore like a buzz saw but I apparently lack a number of symptoms of apnea, especially the periodic cessation of breathing. I just snore for eight hours straight.

Okay, you asked for it. An angry crowd is about to stone a prostitute when Jesus intercedes. "Let those without sin cast the first stone!" he cries. A rock sails out of the crowd and smacks the tarnished woman in the head. Christ looks out at the crowd and says, "Mother, I asked you not to come when I'm speaking!"

" If he didn't demonstrate the skill and was still signed off, the issue is with whomever signed him off for that skill, not the scout." However, if you determine that the Scout did not actually meet the requirements and was signed off "just because," you send him off without advancing and then have a meeting with whomever signed off for work not done.

Of course, you wear the CSP for the council that the district is in. You wear the OA flap for the lodge that holds your membership. If you're like me and registered in two councils, you're only a member of one lodge you wear the same OA flap with either CSP. In my case, four shirts, two CSPs but only one flap.