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"Gee emb021, you make it sound so tawdry" If you are going to do Mic-O-Say, I think you should call it "Mic-O-Say". Sadly, it appears that the MOS types have copyrighted their terms etc (ok), but then won't let anyone else use them (?). Makes it near impossible for additional, official, tribes to be formed. Thus people have to establish different named groups using the MOS program. I'd rather see multiple MOS tribes. (FWIW, am not a Tribesman)

tribe of manassah From reading the discription it appears that its a copy of the Mic-O-Say program.

Would like to see such in writing. But does anyone find this surprising? the OA has been the BSA's official honor society program for several decades. When they made some changed to the OA a couple of years ago to change it from the 'honor camper society' to the BSA's 'honor society', I had to wonder if something was going to happen to the various non-OA groups, especially in the councils where there is NO OA.

"Tribe of Manassah"?? What group is that? Never heard of it and its not on David Eby's large list of scout honor societies.

All- Prehaps I can add something to this discussion. Southwest Florida Council happens to be my home council. I have been part of that council since the 70s as a youth and later an adult. I haven't been as tuned in to things going on in the council in the last few years. Camp Flying Eagle is one of the oldest scout camps in Florida. they recently held a 75th anniversary celebration, and the council used this as a way to solicite funds for the camp. When this camp was found and purchased, the local council (Sunnyland) did not own it! Instead, the local scouters formed a sepa

Sea Scout Ships (unlike VenturING Crews) are subdivided into (boat) Crews. The organization of Ships is very similiar to Troops. Explorer Posts used to follow the same style until 1959, when they went with the general 'club style' that Venturing follows today. Boatswain is like the Senior Patrol Leader. Boatswain's Make is like the Assistant SPL. Each Crew within the Ship is lead by a Coxswain (sometimes called Crew Leader) and Coxswain's Mate (Assistant Crew Leader). Each crew is usually 6-8 members. This is one of the reasons why Sea Scouts have their own training pro

"It just plain ain't polite to accost a Scout from another unit and tell him "what must be done." The BSA isn't the military. " Who said anything about accosting someone? And no, the BSA isn't the military. HOWEVER, we are a uniformed organization, with guidelines on how the uniform and its insignia are to be worn. Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts should be having uniform inspections, usually conducted by the Unit Commissioners. (have to take a look at the uniform inspection forms???) When I explain to a scout (or scouter) how things are to be properly worn, I never take such an att

"I simply don't believe it is appropriate for someone to tell another person from another unit that their uniforming is incorrect, if they haven't asked for your help/opinion. That's the key part (which was left off) - if they haven't asked. If they've asked for your help/opinion, then that's an altogether different kettle of fish, but if they haven't asked, then don't be surprised or offended if they tell you to mind your own business. If they're indignant, its likely because they think you're being rude, not because they think they're wrong." Sorry, but that's silly. No one is goin

""WHY THE EXCLUSIVENESS OF SELECTION?" "I'm sure Sea Scouter's who are more experienced and have more time in than I have might be able to shed more light on this. "But I think space, time and skilled adult leadership have a lot to do with it. " It does. While I don't have first hand knowledge of SEAL, I know Sea Scouters who are course directors. Some facts. There is limited space on each course. the normal course size is 6-7 Sea Scouts. This is because they expect the job duties to rotate amound the Scouts so that each day of the 7-day course they have a different role.

"DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY OTHER PART OF THE US THAT WAS RUN FROM NATIONAL (NOT REGION/SECTION) AFTER 1939? " I'll have to check. There was a area in Florida that was run from National briefly due to some local problems. Basically, the scouters in one county didn't want to be run by the local council they were assigned to, and really couldn't afford to be their own council. We did have a period in the 20s or so when a lot of areas in Florida (single counties or large cities) decided to split off an be their own councils, then found out they couldn't do this financial, and wound up

In the US, most non-profit organizations hire professionals to run their daily operations. These people used to be called 'Executive Secretaries', now usually called 'Executive Directors'. They usually run the organziation's office, do fundraising, deal with mail, etc. They do this ON BEHALF OF and FOR the volunteers who run/own the organization. If they don't do their job, they're out. Professionals in the BSA should serve the same purpose. Sadly, it seems that over time its become that the professionals feel they run the show, and not the volunteers. The professionals many

"Do Scouts in the Venturing program work on Merit Badges like Boy Scouts do?" There are no Scouts in the Venturing program. Those youth involved in the Venturing program are called 'Venturers', not Scouts. Others have covered the rules on Venturers earning merit badges and other Boy Scout advancement. Typically, most crews will not spend their program time working on merit badges and other Boy Scout advancement, tho members of the crew might spend their time doing so. hope we've answered your question.

LongHaul: "Who exactly is this "we" to whom you referr?" We = Arrowmen, members of the OA. "The basis for my statement was the information recieved by our delegation to a NOAC." So. They are mistaken. "Where are the rules made and/or changed? National Order of the Arrow Conferences." No. NOAC is not were rules are made/changed. That is done by the National OA Committee, which mets in December. NOAC is the venue were some of these changes (like the logo change, change from being 'national honor camper's society' to 'national honor society of the BSA') are announced.

No. There really isn't any provision to wear a CO patch on a BSA uniform. There is a provision for Venturing Crews to create a 'crew crest' to go on the right sleeve. This patch is supposed to represent the Crew, NOT the CO, btw. There are some rules on this patch, which are given in the Venturing Reference Guide.

"that being said, there is a way one can recognize a former Scoutmaster. its the Scoutmaster's (Scouters) Key Award (green & white knot), with the universal Boy Scout emblem pinned to it." There are specific requirements to meet to earn it. You don't just hand it out. Other recognitions that may be more appropriate is nominate the scoutmaster for a District Award of Merit &/or Silver Beaver. Its a mistake to assume those awards are ONLY for those at the district &/or council levels.

"The debate over whether OA sahes are only to be worn at OA functions has never been resolved in stone. When I got mine in the 60's it was clearly only for OA functions. In the 90's a group came back from NOAC and declared it was OK for general wear to promote active participation in OA. I guess it's become a local option. According to the Insignia guide it's NOT worn hung from the belt at any time. " Sorry, but as a long-time arrowman (and vigil honor member), I don't know the basis for this. We have always emphasized in the OA that the only time its appropriate to wear the sash is

National Supply makes some items. They have patches #10003 and a belt buckle #14203 (very popular, I hear). Am sure they can make further items with the NYLT logo for you. And you can always go to other sources for things like mugs, neckerchiefs, etc.

"I have seen patches on eBay made like the "TRAINED" strip which read "RETIRED", "OVERTRAINED", "UNTRAINABLE", etc., but these are unofficial and unauthorized for uniform wear." Actually, National DOES make a "RETIRED" strip. Its intended for retired professional scouters. Take a look in the Insignia Guide.

"I'm looking for information on whether or not my son can wear the complete set of rockers that he earned at the 2005 jamboree surrounding the jamboree patch on his uniform. Does anybody have a definitive answer for this? " Sure he can wear them! Why else were they made? That's the reason that the 2005 youth patch was made slightly smaller then the adult patch. This is true of all the rockers from past jamborees. I used to wear mine from 1981. By the way, you do NOT have to move the Jamboree patch & rockers to the pocket.

All- Since there have been some questions, here are the answsers. In Venturing, there is a 3 level series of leadership development courses for the youth, under the umbrella of "Nature of Leadership". VLSC (Venturing Leadership Skills Course) is the first level. This course is meant to be run by the crews for ALL Venturers, in a retreat format, and is many times run by district/councils. You can order the syllabus, #34340, from National Supply. Kodiak is the second level (tho attending VLSC is NOT a requirement). This course MUST be presented during a week-long or 2 week

"Wear Spoof patches if you wish, but don't be surprised if you are regarded as a spoof scouter as well" Hmmm. You remind me of the 'scouter' I saw at NOAC a few years back in which every patch on his 'scout uniform' was a spoof or silly patch. CSP, unit number, office patch, 'trained' patch, knots, flap, patrol medallion, etc.

"I attended the 81' Jambo and still wear my patch. I wear it for ME as it reminds me of one of the best expierences in my life." fine. do so. I still wear that patch as well. The issue of removing "jamboree patches" does NOT apply to the Jamboree patch itself. It refers to the OTHER jamboree patches, such as the JSP, Jambo lodge flap, Jambo troop numbers, and other patches relating to your jamboree troop (ie the office you held and patrol you were in). * Jamboree Patch. Wear it forever. No one should be hassing anyone who attended an old jamboree for wearing the patch. * J

"emb: Do you mean scouts? Scouters technically aren't supposed to wear their sashes, although you'll sometimes see one break his out for a son's Eagle COH or similar event. " Yes, a typo. I've never seen a scouter wear one, even at a ECOH. (probably many can't fit into on anymore).

"emb: Do you mean scouts? Scouters technically aren't supposed to wear their sashes, although you'll sometimes see one break his out for a son's Eagle COH or similar event. " Yes, a typo. I've never seen a scouter wear one, even at a ECOH. (probably many can't fit into on anymore).

Uh, its impossible to do the VLSC (Venturing Leadership Skills Course) in an evening or 4 hours. Take a look at the syllabus. You have about 9 hours of program, not including meal times, breaks. While I don't see a problem with one being run in conjunction with a weekend Venturing event, its shouldn't be short-changed by trying to cram it into 4 hours or so.