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What "schleining" speaks of is just sloppy wearing of the uniform (and wearing of inproper, non-uniform items). for units to say that its 'ok' for them is garbage. Another item I really hate is seeing all the kids not properly wearing neckerchiefs & doing stuff with the shirt collar. I saw this a LOT at jamboree. * the scout shirt is worn with the collar OPEN. I saw a lot of kids with the top button buttoned. I was taught as a kid that one NEVER buttons the top button unless you are wearing a tie. Who is teaching kids (or allowing them) to do this? * when wearing the ne

As another person noted, the Quartermaster Store is a good source. I have 2-3 different ones for different purposes. I also got the magnetic backings they sell, rather then use the push pins. Please note the proper wearing of name tags: * if you are NOT in the OA, the name tag goes ON the right pocket flap. * if you ARE in the OA, the name tag goes ABOVE the BSA strip above the right pocket. if you have interpreter strips, the name tag goes above them. (if you wear a Jamboree patch, be sure you leave enough room between the patch and the BSA strip to wear a name tag) It

"Actually, I recall reading somewhere that there is no "Official" order of Wood Badge patrols. I think this concept of "Wood Badge order" is more tradition than anything. I also heard that patrol names are the decision of the course director. If there is anyone out there with the Official BSA stance on this, please let us know. Perhaps a Wood Badge Course Director... " Well, I'm not a CD, but I'll give this a try. AFAIK, the current set of WB patrols are official and have always been in that particular order, at least in the US. AFAIK, CDs can't change (or should not change) t

"It has been a tiny pet peeve of mine that before the 21st Century course, when people talked about Wood Badge they didn't seem to remember that there was also a Cub Scout course. " There wasn't a Cub Scout course. It was a Cub Scout Trainer course. Also, there was an Explorer course back in the 50s. And a Varsity Scout course in the 80s/90. the Explorer leaders out west felt left out, and created their own course. "You can wear Wood Badge beads on some Sea Scout uniforms anyway. " No, you can't. This is expressly forbidden in the Sea Scout Uniform policy stated in the

"One problem in our District is that they have the OA meeting at the same time that Round Table is going on. Most of the adults in OA need to be at RT. It has been brought up about changing the OA meeting but the response is that they can't get people there other nights. Well if the adults you want to attend are at another meeting they can't come that night anyway. " This is done in many areas of the country, and isn't considered a problem. Its more important for the YOUTH to be at the Chapter meetings, then the adults. Many have them at the same time so that the adults going to RT can

"Some of the other parts of Scouting have a "distinctive dress" policy which allows the members to choose their own style of uniform (or lack there of). " I guess you are speaking of Venturing. While this is true, the Venturing green uniform shirt is still fairly popular. Also, within Sea Scouting the use of the traditional naval-style uniform is still popular (and actually required for regional and national events).

Check out classb.com as a source for your unit's t-shirts, etc. Never used them myself, but know others who have. Might be ads from similiar companies in the back of Scouting. Also, don't overlook your local t-shirt company, especially if they've done shirts for other units.

""I have to say that the way Wood Badge was handled pre 21rstWB would have done any Good Ol' Boy network proud. Virtually never talked about except in in terms of what was done for the ticket and that you had to be invited to attend the next course and that it was only for "true scouters". So, if you werent invited, then you knew you werent a real scouter. With the 21rst Wood Badge, that attitude seemed to have changed. Yes, you still are invited, but you request an invitation and all qualified are taken. "" To a great extent, how some of this was done varied from council to council in th

"You wrote, "Also, as to CDs coming back on staff. My understanding is that with 21CWB, Powder Horn, and NYLT, once you have been a CD, that's it." Do you have a reference for this information? " Someone answered this questions re: Wood Badge. This NOT in the WB Syllabus, but the separate WB Admin Guide, which is the source of information on ADMINISTRATING WB. That gives info on staff qualifications, need to have a percentage of newbies on staff, etc. The PH syllabus says the same thing about the PH CD. The NYLT syllabus (in the Admin Guide section) says the same thing about N

"You could always seek registration through your District. I would ask the District Chairman if I could be registered through the district, as part of the district camping committee. That should work out OK. " It might not. Many positions in Scouting you need to be 21 to hold. I know that in a troop you can be an ASM at 18, but must be 21 to be on the Troop Committee. Don't know about District/Council levels.

"Would it not serve the same purpose if there could be a special "preparation" training for those Wood Badgers who took the course prior to a 21st Century Wood Badge Course which provided all the new concepts, aims, and goals of the 21st Century Wood Badge Course. That prep-training could even go through the process of working a new ticket. " Actually, I had heard talk several years ago of a weekend 'WB refresher' course that would present the new WB concepts to those who had been thru the old WB and wanted to learn them without having to redo it (which wasn't allowed at the time) or be o

You may be thinking about the 'college reserve' registration, which I think they got rid of. However, what most people need to understand is that per BSA, 'active' means 'registered'. So long as the troop keeps the boy as a registered member of the troop, that satisfies things. It only costs about $10 or so per year to be registered as an adult. That's what I did in college, and I kept active with my troop during the summer, no problem. They can also be registered with a Venturing Crew, and I have heard of 'paper crews' that exist in some councils for no other reason then for boys

Well, glad I got to staff a 21CWB course when I did. : I took Boy Scout Leader WB back in 1988. After years of asking, I finally got a chance to be on staff. In 2004 on a 21CWB. I knew the courses were different, and part of wanting to be on staff was to learn what was knew. I am also involved with leadership development training in other organizations, so I was also already familiar with many of the concepts being presented in 21CWB, so I didn't have the usually 'anti-21CWB' attitude that some WBers have. I made sure to learn how the course went. Our staff development work here

As others have pointed out: GET TRAINING. The Adult Venturing training has a whole section on advancement. Get a copy of the Venturing Leader Manual (this book is for the youth officers, too!), Venturer Handbook/Ranger Guidebook, Quest Handbook and TRUST Handbook. Also get the Advancement Guidelines booklet. Unlike in Cub Scouts & Boy Scouts, "Advancement" is NOT a method of Venturing. This means that if your youth are not getting the Venturing Awards, it's NO BIG DEAL. You can get the Quality Unit for your Crew without having the kids 'advancing'. And your crew does NOT n

"I have not found anything that prohibits the wear of Wood Badge beads with a bolo tie. I have never worn the two together so I tried it an looked in the mirror and found that at least in my opinion it looks a bit strange. So I don't think I will wear the two together. " Ditto. For years as a youth and adult, I wore bolo ties rather then neckerchiefs with my uniform. Once I got my beads, I stopped wearing bolo ties and pretty much exclusively wear my WB beads along with my lodge beads & vigil triangle.

My experience down here is that if the troop does not have a mandated neckerchief (many down here don't), they don't care if a scout or scouter wears a neckerchief or bolo tie of their choice (btw, bolos are in no way restricted to adults). There are plenty of commerative neckerchiefs and bolos one can wear (high adventure, OA events, etc). That said, after seeing how many kids (and adults) wore their neckerchiefs and bolo slides at Jamboree, many need to learn that you do NOT button the top button of your shirt when wearing a bolo tie or neckerchief. The collar is worn open with bo

All- the following I received from the Chapter President of the APO Chapter I advise. feel free to pass along the information to other scouters. ===== Hi APO Brothers I am here in Hattiesburg, Mississippi volunteering with the American Red Cross. The local Boy Scouts council has been gracious enough to let us use some of their office space to process paperwork and such - and they need our help! The local boy scouts have suffered LOTS of damage from Hurricane Katrina, therefore The Pine Burr Area Council has created a Hurricane Katrina T-Shirt - for a total cost of 11.5

Once you are a Arrowman, you are always an Arrowman. However, I have never heard of a request like this. Typically, its the members of the OA ceremonial team who call out (we no longer use the term 'tap out') the candidates. I have never heard of those not on the team being involved in this OTHER then to 'mark' for the team the person to call out, usually by holding their sash over them.

Remember the Titans City Slickers (pay attention to Billy Crystal's character, what he learned from Curly, and how he affected the others afterwards) Dead Poet's Society

"Well, I, too, just completed my Ordeal (with my son, who also got called out at camp) - the pre-Ordeal and Ordeal ceremonies all included face-paint, loin-cloths with leggings (no boxers in sight) and, in general, beautiful regalia which made every effort to be authentic along with wonderful drum work. Both ceremonial teams did a great job. " OA National made a policy change several years ago forbidding the use of face-paint and wigs in OA ceremonies and dance team performances. You will not see this at NOAC (nor should you at Sectional events) "Question - I thought that OA was bas

"Wear it on one's spoof shirt? " Yes. Don't laugh. I someone at NOAC that had a scout uniform of nothing but spoof patches on it (spoof knots, csp, office patches, etc). Didn't know if I should laugh or puke.

"In order to stay "current" on your YPT training, you must take it every two years." The only problem is that I have yet to see this in writing. All the other certification training that expires, this is clearly shown on your training card. Red Cross CPR training expires after a year. That is clearly stated on the cards you get. Red Cross First Aid training & American Heart Association CPR training expires after 2 years. Again, its on your cert cards. Other BSA certification training (Safety Afloat, Safe Swim Defense, etc) that has expirations this is stated on t

"Ours are held in october-November. When I was SPL, I had to contact the elections team and make an appointment. I don't believe it is the election team's responsibility to come to you." That may be how it works in your council/lodge. In most of the lodges I've worked with, that doesn't work. You have new troops that know nothing about the OA and wouldn't know who or how to contact for an election (OA election, what's that??), or troops that are 'out of touch' with the OA for various reasons (few if any youth involved, few if any adults involved, or adults who don't care about the OA).

"YPT has not changed for years, so what does "be up to date" mean?" Probably means that you have taken it recently (last year or two). If you attend National events like Jamboree or NOAC, you will be told that you must have taken YPT recently. Despite the fact that I've seen nothing in print, it seems that National expectes one to retake it. Since you can now take the generic adult YPT and the Venturing adult YPT on-line, its no longer a big deal to retake it.

Not quite sure of the reason for this question. Wood Badge beading ceremonies are public events. They are typically held at scouting events in front of other scouters, many not Wood Badgers. They are not restricted. Part of the reason for this is to let others know about WB and that completion of the ticket by that scouter.