Eagledad

I think a positive sign of a boy run troop is that changes are slow. But change is also visibly constant. See, what makes adults so different from boys and also makes the program so valuable is personal experience. YOu have it, they don't. Boys changes are slower because they have to first learn how to create, plan, and practice the process of actions that make change. Its a no-brainer for us because we adults have been there and done that so much that we just do it. As you get more experience in this job, you will find that developing the habits required to create, plan and institu

>>Lets not get hung up with what we miss about the good old days when we were in Wood Badge or other trainings which no are no longer being presented. The program has changed, and it will change again.

>>This may be OK for Scouts but it hardly conforms to safe activities that one would plan for Webelos. In fact, I would restrict it to Boy Scouts 13 and over (much like climbing a tall wall and such).

>>And I firmly believe that working the ticket is a Scouting career project. I don't think my ticket will ever truly be complete. I might earn the beads... but my vision will always need to be worked.

>>My only question is .... How can one go thru Wood Badge and have no Desire to work a ticket.... Hmmmmmmm...

>>But what a relief to get that ticket approved. I only had to rewrite mine once and it was all small stuff that needed to be zeroed in on or refocused.>Our Troop guide emailed all of us between sessions to get us started on our tickets too...so that was very helpful.

>>Laid back "adult approaches" usually mean troop chaos of varying degree, with weak planning and program. As well as a lack of program direction

Our Troop once hiked a mile from the parked cars to the campsite. The reason given to the scouts was so they needed to practice packing everything in a backpack. The real reason was we had the older scouts simulate a car wreck a half mile down the dirt road. They had studied how to simulate different wounds, broken legs and things like that. It went very well, but a long story short is two months later our Troop of about a dozen cars filled with about 60 scouts drove up on a real wreck within a mile of the summer camp we were attending that week. Every scout that had been on that first-a

>>We have a committee meeting tomorrow and will be discussing this whole issue, together with the broader issue of respect and discipline.

>>The old schoolers felt and reciprocated our newbie enthusiam and desire to do things even better than they had ever been done before. I can't imagine a better, more enthusiastic staff than we had.

EagleinKy gives some great responses. I think you have to be proactive here at first because boys of this are not use to adults giving this type of permission, much less allowing it. We did little things at first like adults going to bed at a reasonable hour during all-night lockins. At one campout out we let the scouts go on a hike by themselves and on another we let the scouts take a five-mile bike trail without adults. I remember once when we did an indoor climbing wall activity in downtown Oklahoma City. After we were finished, the Troop planned to eat about six blocks down the street at a

I used to be a Bob White, and a Good 'ol Bob White too, But now I'm finished Bob White, I don't know what to do. I'm growing old and feeble and I can Bob White no more So I am going to work my ticket if I can Back to Gilwell, happy land; I'm going to work my ticket if I can. SR-197

In general, most in our council are happy to see the restrictions. The few adults who headed the old Wood Badge were so dug in, many felt it was easier getting the Silver Beaver than an invite to staff WB. The same adults started off with the 21st Centry WB and they did a good job. But there was the expectation of the same-ol club controlling and running the course. They were basically forced to loose their grip on the course and we are getting some really great fresh new staffs now. On Another note, the group I've personally watched benefit a lot from the new WB are the Cubs. I have pe

>>As an aside, I just spent an evening reviewing PL responsibilities with newly elected PL's (at the request of the SM). I used the PL handbook as my guide.

As a SM, I would be excited if my SPL called to brief me on the DL's request. I would be even more excited if he already put the Den visit on his agenda before he called me. Barry

>>I think we should hold a special meeting and decide what to do as a committee. I'm also considering contacting the Council if still nothing is done.

>>It is impossible for most Americans to imagine that B-P's Patrol System is based on appointed leadership because we live in a country where big government limits our choice in Scouting to a single monopoly religious corporation. The moral certainty that elections are the only way to teach citizenship ("the quality of an individual's response to membership in a community") is a result of our growing up without freedom of choice. >Hopefully we will soon have an alternative to the BSA for those who choose to operate today's troop on Baden-Powell's traditional Scouting practices.

>>Another question - is it appropriate, for me as SM, to ask the scout about the board of review process, and whether he thought he was treated fairly?

>>I wish the best of luck to those of you who are fighting on the side of the right in this debate.

>>I think you'll find that North American was secure and doing just fine and dandy under the thriving Native American nations that populated the area. It only became "insecure" when the Europeans decided to invade it. Since Hitler was the leader of Germany at the time, his seeing the Jews as a threat would seem to be enough, don't you think?

>>You know, I have the liability discussion every year with our CO. ....I think it's just the nature of our overly litiguous society to be worried about every possibility of liability.

>>Therefore, they seem to think every other troop ought to do the same. I keep hoping it will change, but until it does, we make do with what we have.

An idea I've seen and like a lot is scouts making an advancement book to hold all their advancement records. It's a three ring binder with several pages of those plastic baseball card holders. The scouts are suppose to put their MB cards in the slips where baseball cards usually go along with the cards for all their ranks. This is also where they keep records of leadership and service projects. And anything else the want to keep for record. The scouts are asked to bring their advancement book to all the BORs so the adults can review their experience. Our troop didn't do this, but I like

An idea I've seen and like a lot is scouts making an advancement book to hold all their advancement records. It's a three ring binder with several pages of those plastic baseball card holders. The scouts are suppose to put their MB cards in the slips where baseball cards usually go along with the cards for all their ranks. This is also where they keep records of leadership and service projects. And anything else the want to keep for record. The scouts are asked to bring their advancement book to all the BORs so the adults can review their experience. Our troop didn't do this, but I like

I have a story that kind of supports Trev's point. We had a 17 year old scout from another state trasnfer to our troop with just two MBs left to get his Eagle. When he finished, he brought all his paperwork to the Troop meeting, handed it all to me and told me to call him for the BOR. I handed it back to him and told him that the scouts handle all the paperwork, turn it into the Council, set up the BOR and then call to tell me the time and place. He was in shock, but once he got his wits about him, he went to our advancement ASM and handed her the same paperwork and asked her take care of it.