Eagle92

I admit I do have an attachment to the troop. Several friends have been leaders in it. I have served as an MBC for several of their scouts. When I needed Den chiefs for day camp and for my den, they were the ones that provided the best help. And I can go on. Heck when I did IOLS in January, 2 of their scouts were on staff. Grant you, their dads were also on staff, but when I was talking about using youth on staff, their dads loved it and "voluntold them" Liek they needed to be told they're camping. Any of the older scouts that I worked with and knew I would trust with my life or my son's

That's the problem, I don't have the time to commit as I am stuck in Cubs for at least 7 more years. And trust me, I was reminded of the fact that I was asked to be SM this weekend, and I think that is why I as concerned as I am. I have tried my darnedest to help train the adults. When I found out they were getting a new SM, I rushed through the approval process to put on an IOLS since we hadn't had one in the district for about 2 years. I promoted heavily and personally invited their leaders since one ASM's son was in my den at the time. Only the SM showed up and the comment I was told

DG, My position this weekend was "DAD." I had to step down as the DL for this group to be a TCDL for middle son. Prior to being a DL, I've been in a bunch of positions: ASM, Explorer AA, Venturing AA, Sea Scout ??? (don't ask, all I know is I was on the charter) etc. So I know how things can get things. But trust me, this was the worst I've seen things. And I've been telling the parents that the Patrol Method can seem like "organized chaos," and explained how we can allow the kids to make mistakes and learn. But again this is the worse I've seen a troop; worse than when I camped with

'732, I think a lot of work is more like it. And to be honest I think it will more of getting an SM who will mentor more AND more importantly keeping the parents away and allowing the kids to grow up. A few cooments. 1) No one had enough propane. For whatever reason, they are using the large propane tanks that you can use trees with and the xlarge one pot burners used for tailgaiting. Don't know why they don't use the campstoves that they have, but all cooking was done on large burners. And the supplies were disposable cutlery, plates, bowls, and paper towels. 2) I know w

For those who have read some of my posts on the challenges that Ive read and heard about in regards to the troop affiliated with my pack, if this past weekend is the norm, the problems are worse than I expected. I am placing this in Patrol Method because I think the bulk of the problem lies in the lack of it being used. Camporee was this weekend, the Webelos were invited, and it was a major Charlie Foxtrot from the get go. Yes I know the Patrol Method is messy. Yes I know kids will make mistakes and learn from them. but this is beyond that. 1 day prior to camporee, I found out that

Dean and 2Cub, SE was following national policy, and had no choice but to remove. And yes it did cost us an outstanding volunteer, as well as a future one: her son. The problem is this, in today's environment if she was to remain, we would get into all kinds of criticism. And I admit I am torn in this situation. I know the scout is a liar, heck he lied about me giving him permission to go off site after hours at a national event and thankfully I had 2 other adults with me and he had 3 scouts with him to state otherwise, but in the absence of evidence what are we to do? If we keep acc

I wish I could wear one! Luckily I got 3 excuses to go now. Darn tooting wear that thing!

Beav, While the public files now released, which are 30-50 years old and were under a much different set of standards, may be true, I know for a fact that just the accusation will get an adult kicked out nowadays. Grant you it's anecdotal, but I knew a very well respected leader have her membership revoked because a "scout" accused her of making a pass at him. In this instance I use the term "scout" because the young man in question had a history of lying in order to get out of major trouble. Leader caught him after hours around the female shower house, but because it was a "he said

Been thinking about my reply. Want to apologize in my tone as I was extremely angry when I read Eng.'s post, and this issue is very personal for me for several reasons. I could have been more courteous in my reply. Again I want to apologize and reword my response. Parents have many opportunities to get to know the leaders: volunteering, attending events as a parent, helping at functions, etc. In fact in one document in the files, the question of "Where the other adults(parents and leaders) at?" was raised. One of the things about Scouting is that we teach Scouts what to do so th

OUTSTANDING! I hope copies are goign to the National WWII Museum as they have a project of collecting Vet's oral histories as well as possibly the state archives. One Eagle I know did the same thing, except not just only WWII vets but WWI through Vietnam.

Eng, May I respond? You all have to admit that we non-participants take a tremendous leap of blind faith turning our boys over to you for days or even weeks at a time with no communication. We don't know anything real about you. Only what you portray when you are in uniform. You can get involved in the program even in a non-camping support role. That will give you the opportunity to know leader. And the same can be said for other non Scouting program like baseball, karate, football ad nauseum We know that in an critical situation, you are our boy's only hope of surviva

2nd, The SM assigns the MBC, not committee members. And they are a PITA. Again I've seen units use the requirement books, the MACSCOUTER.com workbooks. etc.

My understanding is that National is standardizing UoS courses, and that is one of the topics. The problem I have discovered is even if you train the leaders correctly, teaching them what PM is and trying to drill it into their brains, they still might ignore you.

You don't want to split by levels, i.e. Tiger and Wolves v. Bears and Webelos. When the new pack split form ours, the new CM took half of our pack: ALL of the Bears and a smattering of Webelos and Wolves. Having a big gap in the bears caused issues later on.

Depends on nit culture and the MBC. Most of the units I've been with never used blue cards. You used your BSHB and/or the Requirements Book for sign offs. Now there is a push to use the blue cards to the point that it is required by the G2A. Also an MBC can count prior work if he wants to. Most of the time with very few exceptions they do.

We used to have a "Pack Cook Crew" with their pig cooker do the cooking. Did Saturday Dinner and Sunday Breakfast. When they moved up to Boy Scouts, while we tried to continue doing that, we had challenges. I know I organized one event's meals, only to have people either not pay, show up, or leave early due to weather. Luckily the OA was camping the next weekend and they bought the unused supplies from us. Another time we we had all this food ready to go, and severe weather hit causing folks to go home after dinner. We had a very hearty dinner that nite. Last camp out, every fam

Not really a bad split per say. But I know of one pack was started from about 1/2 of my current pack's Cubs just as I joined, i.e between when I Joined the pack n June and when the Round Ups started in September. Long story short, one of our DLs was asked by his pastor to restart the pack at his church. Kinda hard to say no to your pastor. While some in my pack were not happy, heck still not happy, with the situation, I undertsand it and have no qualms..

Greek leather thong works. Also I forgot what the knot is called, it's not a standard BSA one, but I tie that one and it hold.

Yep the OA flap is always hardest to take off but it gets easier as you move. I made 6 moves in 7 years. Hardest thing for me to do was take off my Chilantakoba flap and wait until I did my seven hours of service prior to buying my new flap. A lot of blood, sweat, and tears, as well as a girlfriend or two , was sacrificed to the OA in general and Chilantakoba lodge in particular, and not wearing a flap was hard.

Spent way to much time last nite reading a few of the files, including the 81 pager that Oak mentions. Sad, yes. Needed to be released publically, don't know. Should all of those proven beyond a reasonable doubt be incarcerated, yes for life. BSA is a excellent organization, but like any good organization, sometimes bad members are in it. You don't judge the US military as a whole over the idiocy of a few? Can't judge BSA over these folks. And I would love to see some stats on total volunteer membership during this period, total numbers in the files, total number of prosecutions (or

Oak, While the "women and children first" may seem quaint and outdated, it is not. I don't remember where exactly in Europe it was, I think in Scandinavia, but a ferry had an accident and was sinking. Instead of people helping one another out, especially kids who could not swim, there was a mad scramble for lifejackets and people fighting over them. Fred, I've been back involved in Cub Scouts for only 4 years now, but the Cubs I've wokre with DO know the Promise and LOTP. I for one do not like the change. the programs lose the age appropriateness and Venturing loses more of

What I find funny today is that back in the day, my FA MBC made us do FA improvising with stuff we had or we could find. made us really thing and use the knowledge we had. When I reviewed the BSA's WFA book they came out with in 2008 or therabouts ( it was just before CPR went to CAB instead of ABC), with the exception of detailed diagnosing of the injured and the documentation recommended, it was essentially FA MB all over again. Best FA course and instructor I ever had.

Sometimes it's hard. I know of one case where a leader is renting a room from another leader, essentially living with the family. They are in same troop, how to handle transport if one dad is working late and the leader renting needs to bring the Scout to the meeting? Then what about the situation I was in recently. Dad and his two scouts show up at a camp out, and while setting up the new tent, realize there was no tarp for it, and it's suppose to rain? Kids are starving, food needs to be cook, and dad needs to get a tarp ASAP. Since this was A) a district event and other folks were aro

HMM, while I like the concept, I know that A) our COR is more figure head than anything, although he does visit on occasion, and actually camped with the troop once, but otherwise is hands off and B) our CC has been incorrectly listed as an MC for the past 3 years now and nothing changes despite repeated attempts. Then again at least she is on the charter. We have 2 DLs, 2ADLs, and 3 MCs not on the charter still. And it took the district training chair and one DL confronting the DE at roundtable to get him on the hcarter after 5 months of repeated attempts and emails.

If memory serves, GTSS has a recommended list of items. I've also seen list of supplies in the pocket Wilderness First Aid Book BSA came out with in 2008 or there abouts. Usually I hang up my FA kit, but we have several RNs and EMTs about and they have stuff too. Troop has an EMT as SM and his jeep is one giant FA kit.