Eagle92

District events for Cub Scouts: Cubmobile (Oct) Pinewood Derby (January) Webeloree (March usually, may be April this year) Day Camp ( June) District Events for Boy Scouts: District Camporee (Oct.) District Events for Both: Memorial Day Service Project Council Events for Cubs: Resident camp (August) Camp Boddie CS Family Camp Out (Oct) Camp Charles Family Camp Out ( usually Oct, this year Nov. And this is the Better of the two camp outs ) District Events for Boy Scouts: District Camporee Council Events for Boy Scouts: Aquatics Weekend (Aug) Hor

Actually saw the SPL's meeting plan. An hour spent on a MB ( skills and patrol time) and the interpatrol activity for 30 minutes is a COH?!?!?!?!!?

I remember those tenure requirements and wish we still had them today. Rationale: fokls actually had some time in grade so to speak to master the skills needed for the next rank. But with 1989's "Operation First Class," I'm seeing a rush to Eagle, and a "One and Done" mentality.

Fred, TPF, what use to be known as WOODS WISDOM in my day, is an example of "Stealth Advancement" i.e. you are working on the stuff as part of your normal routine. But that is not happening. And it appears from what I'm reading that the new parents are the ones doing all of the work and planning, not the scouts. Using TPF, they should even be at that stage yet.

I ask because one of the units in the district is starting to do this more and more. And this was the unit that was on their way to being 100% boy run to boot. They got a new SM with about a year as ASM but 2 years as CM, and a lot of parents who were CS leaders. This was after the original SM stepped down b/c he thought the troop was ready. I think it is slowly turning inthe opposite direction. They've done 4 MBs at meeting over the past year. And another one is set up for 4 meetings over the next 2 months. Now grant you the communications I am seeing are from adults on FB, which i

Ok I admit it's been a while since I did SM Fundamentals, and taught SM Specific, about 5-6 years now, but I was told that the MB classes over a series of meetings is now mentioned in training in order to meet the needs of the scouts, and families since the kids these days have so much going on. Rationale was if you want to keep them coming back, you have to move away from some of the traditional ways of doing things. Wanted to know if this was true or not. I understand adapting, improvising, and using resources to meet the needs of the scouts. Heck I modify my den plans from the new Den

None to my knowledge have left b/c of the policy. Reasons I've been told are the following: Moving Sports Only joined to get the Round Up joining prize (that's one expensive Hot Wheels car for the past few years) Pack doesn't camp enough for us. I have had several families say they would quit if BSA changed the decision. Now when Scouting for All was protesting outside of a council office I worked at shortly after Dale v. BSA, the council actually got calls from folks to find out where packs were located. Folks didn't know the policy and/or BSA won the Dale decision and wa

One thing I did last year, and will do my best to repeat, was hold my den meetings outside while the weather is nice. Last year we did a campfire with storytelling for one of the Bear requirements. Problem was that we got inundated with new Tigers and Wolves, and we had 3/5 of the pack around my campfire. Good news was that we have enough marshmellows. bad news was that we didn't have enough sticks or space fore everyone to roast at one time. As Green Bar Bill said, "SCOUTING IS OUTING!"

'Skip, Unfortunately that is the mentality that many new leaders on this side of the pond have. Between the "First Class, First Year" or whatever the heck they are calling it now, and the way some of the training syllabi have things stated, it's one and done.

These are my thoughts and don't take it personally OH HECK NO! I DON'T WANT TWO EAGLES AS DEN CHIEFS FOR THE SAME DEN BECAUSE YOU NEED TO SPREAD THE DEN CHIEF LOVE! If you are aging out around CROSSOVER, get with the Webelos II. And let the other Eagle work with the group that needs the most help. As for how much responsibility you can handle? Need to talk to the DL to A) make sure that he knows how to use you ( that was a pet peeve of mine, not being used properly but trwated as another Cub) and B) Both you and the DL and ADL have a common goal and know what's going on.

Somebody who doesn't know what they're talking about (but says it loudly anyway) and really doesn't see much value in Cub Scouts as a distinct program with multiple goals in addition to "steady pipeline to the troop" is going to be a problem and piss off hard-working cub leaders to no end. So Lisa, when did you move to my council Seriously though, it took all of my self control to stop myself from slapping someone silly over their "Cubs don't need to camp" comments, and he's a friend of mine too. But he no longer deals with Cubs, and hasn't in at least 9 years.

Old, Had a similar conversation to your last post tonite. Camporee chief wanted to get back to basics with the camporee, and firebuilding will be one of the events, barring a fire ban (and I have a feeling we may have some wiggle room with the event and still do it legally IF one of the SMs can pull some strings ) he was talking about how scouts can't seem to do it, and I told him of the camporee where only one patrol, it was from troop too, were the only ones who could build a fire, light it, boil water to cook spagetti, and tie a square knot with it. The look on his face w

'732, From what I've read and heard, it's because of all the lawsuits.

Well, who are they and what is their Sea Scout experience? Seriously in my limited experiences with Irving, only 3 folks knew anything about Sea Scouts: Holmes, Christopher, and Christopher's secretary ( sorry forgot her name). And even then their experiences are not as unit leaders, but as national level support folks. But if I am wrong, please let me know and I will send ya that cake. I actually would love to be wrong on this.

B, I know what the GTA says about Bridges of Review. But I am willing to bet a DEATH BY CHOCOLATE Dutch oven cake that the folks who wrote those policies know nothing about Sea Scouts, and how things are done in that program. I also know what actually happens having sat through 2, and what other Sea Scouts and leaders have been through and done.

Pamlico Sea Base, website found at eccbsa.org under camping tab, is an accredited HA program that offers kayaking as one of their programs. Also offers sailing, SCUBA, and jet skis. And yes that was PSB on the cover of SCOUTING with the jetskis

'732, Sadly I've seen scouts and leaders, one of whom SHOULD know better as he has taught LNT and other environmental/conservation courses for over 40 years, leave fires unattended. he says it's OK since it's in a fire ring, no combustables within 5 or 10 feet, etc etc. Beav, The folks who resist LNT are usually the ones who have, for lack of a better word, "extremists" instructors who really do not know how to work with folks. My first intro into LNT outside of Scouting had one of those and I was very anti LNT for a while because of that course. Sad thing was, I couldn't get up

Bnelon, A couple of quick questions for ya since you seem to be in the know about this. 1) You stated the survey is computer adaptive based upon your answers, is that the case? 2) I noticed none of the questions asked about Sea Scouts, where they left out again? 3) If computer adaptive,I left out a unit level leadership position, Mate or Skipper(don't ask, I didn't know I was registered with the ship until after the fact, and I never got a clear answer on the exact position. Would that affect why I had no questions on Sea Scouts? 4) #3 is yes, should I redo, focusing o

Is the pin really that important or is it just another geegaw for the uniform?

What outdoor activities do you do? Camping is very popular, in fact i lost a family b/c we didn't camp enough for them. Other things we have done are special overnighters: NC Zoo, NC Aquarium, USS YORKTOWN, etc. Can't wait for USS NORTH CAROLINA to have overnighters, just pray they run them like the USS KIDD did in Baton Rouge, LA i.e. tour guide assigned to your group and takes you on tour as long as your groups wants and includes areas not open during the regular tours, i.e engine rooms. Had the Order of the Arrow come in and give a performance. May need to get them since the lod

Either A) I spent too much time reviewing the book and service project workbook before commenting, B) I'm an opinionated old fogey who wrote a lot of critques, or C) All the Above, But it took me 1:35 minutes to do that survey. 20 minutes, YEAH RIGHT. EDITED: thanks for the link!(This message has been edited by Eagle92)

MN, Must respectfully disagree with you on campfires not providing heat. My life was probably saved when I got hypothermia on a HA trip in the Canadian wilderness as the fire was used to warm me up and dry clothes as well. Besides, LNT does not, stressing NOT, prohibit fires. Check out this link for LNT's policy on fires. http://lnt.org/learn/principle-5

If memory serves, NPS tried to close access to some parks in NC. But it's not just the NPS, states too have limits on fires in parks and with fire bans. It's been so bad, that when I asked why only one patrol could build a fire, light it, and boil watert to tie a noodle into a square knot at a camporee, the rationale I was given was no one can build fires anymore between campgrounds and parks banning them, and fire bans due to weather conditions.

Why I wish they would issue one color pin like they use too.

There are different types of camping for Cubs. here are some of the main ones. Day Camps are one to multiple day events where no overnight camping is done, and a set of National Standards are met. Resident Camps are 2-4 day events, if I'm not mistaken, where the Cubs stay overnite, and a set of National Standard are met. Council Family Camp Outs are 2-3 day events with two or more packs camping together. So if your pack goes camping with another, technically it is a council family camp out. There are National Standards for these, but not as strict as Res Camp. Pack Camping