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♦ Q: If my summer camp is cancelled, can my unit get together with other units and have our own camp?

No. Chartering organizations play an important role in the program and activities for their chartered units. Chartering organizations promote well-planned unit program for the units they charter and encourage their units to have active outdoor unit programs. Chartering organization are not authorized to plan, promote, and deliver programs for units outside of their charter.

It is the role of the council to plan summer camps and the role of councils or districts to plan camporees and other outings during the year that give youth an opportunity to test their knowledge and skills in competitive events with other troops and/or patrols.

When units with different chartered organizations do activities together, this becomes a district or council event and requires council approval. In fact, some states require such activities to be licensed.

Should your troop, crew or ship decide to do a long-term summer camping program for their own unit (Cub Scouts units are prohibited from this activity) please note that the Scouter Code of Conduct and relevant program safety and training requirements are still in place, e.g., Safe Swim Defense, Hazardous Weather, Wilderness First Aid, etc.

(From BSA Website)

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3 hours ago, scoutldr said:

♦ Q: If my summer camp is cancelled, can my unit get together with other units and have our own camp?

No. Chartering organizations play an important role in the program and activities for their chartered units. Chartering organizations promote well-planned unit program for the units they charter and encourage their units to have active outdoor unit programs. Chartering organization are not authorized to plan, promote, and deliver programs for units outside of their charter.

It is the role of the council to plan summer camps and the role of councils or districts to plan camporees and other outings during the year that give youth an opportunity to test their knowledge and skills in competitive events with other troops and/or patrols.

When units with different chartered organizations do activities together, this becomes a district or council event and requires council approval. In fact, some states require such activities to be licensed.

Should your troop, crew or ship decide to do a long-term summer camping program for their own unit (Cub Scouts units are prohibited from this activity) please note that the Scouter Code of Conduct and relevant program safety and training requirements are still in place, e.g., Safe Swim Defense, Hazardous Weather, Wilderness First Aid, etc.

(From BSA Website)

I saw that in the Scouting Wire e-mail

Are they implying that if two Scout troops want to camp together and do something together, they can't?  That seems a bit far reaching in the control area and possibly stepping into unit program decisions.

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I don't know why there is some presumptive notion within their statement that when two (or more) units get together, "competition" is the basis for doing so.  Two units can't just get together on an event for fellowship, or because it is more cost friendly to share expenses? Yikes. 

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1 hour ago, HashTagScouts said:

I don't know why there is some presumptive notion within their statement that when two (or more) units get together, "competition" is the basis for doing so.  Two units can't just get together on an event for fellowship, or because it is more cost friendly to share expenses? Yikes. 

 

"WHAT IF OUR UNIT DOES NOT FILL/OVERFLOWS THE CAMPSITE WE HAVE CHOSEN? 

We understand that many units have a favorite campsite.  Campsite capacities are determined based on location, available equipment, an impact on the environment among other things.  It is important that we follow the set site capacities.  If a unit does not completely fill their chosen site, it must be understood that another unit may be placed in the same campsite so as many Scouts are given a camp opportunity as possible.  If a unit overflows their chosen campsite, they may be reassigned to a campsite that will fit their numbers, may have a portion of their unit moved into a nearby site with space, or, may have to provide their own camping equipment to set up additional tents in their chosen site."

 

"The Atlanta Area Council encourages small Troops to merge when attending summer camp, so they can provide the adult leadership for their Scouts. Another option is the Atlanta Area Council provisional program for both male and female Scouts where individual Scouts are placed in a male or female Troop for their summer camp experience."

 

 

 
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Our camps have been canceled for all the the lower penninsula of Michigan for the summer and no in person meetings/activities until further notice.

On a different but related note, 2 dams in mid Michigan failed 2 nights ago after the region received 8 inches of rain in less than 2 days. The staff and neighbors of Camp Rotary loaded most/all of the camps beds for summer camp into trucks and took them to the flood zone for shelters to use. See the link below for more info.

Summer camp may not be going here in the lower mitten but the beds are going to good use. 

https://www.themorningsun.com/news/mt-pleasant-hotels-serve-flood-victims-as-communities-rally-to-help/article_cf79bb6a-9ab9-11ea-896d-638c9336b39f.html?fbclid=IwAR2c4QJyPJY06lVMoc_Pk3DOE8ltEjXiKAYQH7bDW0PWx9uo5byHwRU9Als

 

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9 hours ago, scoutldr said:

♦ Q: If my summer camp is cancelled, can my unit get together with other units and have our own camp?

No. Chartering organizations play an important role in the program and activities for their chartered units. Chartering organizations promote well-planned unit program for the units they charter and encourage their units to have active outdoor unit programs. Chartering organization are not authorized to plan, promote, and deliver programs for units outside of their charter.

It is the role of the council to plan summer camps and the role of councils or districts to plan camporees and other outings during the year that give youth an opportunity to test their knowledge and skills in competitive events with other troops and/or patrols.

When units with different chartered organizations do activities together, this becomes a district or council event and requires council approval. In fact, some states require such activities to be licensed.

Should your troop, crew or ship decide to do a long-term summer camping program for their own unit (Cub Scouts units are prohibited from this activity) please note that the Scouter Code of Conduct and relevant program safety and training requirements are still in place, e.g., Safe Swim Defense, Hazardous Weather, Wilderness First Aid, etc.

(From BSA Website)

According to this, troops have been out of compliance whenever they invite webelos dens (from another CO) to visit, or camp. IMO whomever wrote the Q/A, had a pre-determined answer and then just tried to justify it without realizing the implications. The easiest answer would have been: "Yes, however each of the units is still responsible to their own CO. A unit may invite individual members  to visit, and participate in the unit's activities."

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Reminds me, we guested our feeder dens at Klondike for twenty-give consecutive years that I personally attended.  We reserved a cabin for them.  We were tenting, of course.

We often had Scout patrols camp, in their own clump, on our troop site for weekend campouts (the outdoor sort of weekend campouts, not the current indoor-play computer games sort)  when that seemed the best way to overcome lack of adult support in their troop.  We got a "Friendly Award" from our district for those acts of Scouting fellowship.  (Buy, then, we have no districts anymore.)

So BSA says troops cannot camp together. even as councils encourage it.   

Genius Q&A.  under whose authority?  Those who posted that the Patrol Method is "part of what we call the youth-led troop"?

Those who accidentally eliminated the rule against alcohol at Scout events and, when that was pointed out, did nothing?

Those who expressly required two registered adults be present when a merit badge counselor meets with a Scout candidate,and then said that meeting was neither a "meeting" nor a Scout "activity"?

The Q&A goes on:

Q: May time missed due to canceled unit meetings count toward position of responsibility requirements?
Yes. If youth are registered and unable to meet the expectations of their positions because of COVID-19 disruptions, then units may need to waive or rethink the expectations. Just as youth must not be held to unestablished expectations, they must not be held to expectations that are impossible to fulfill. See GTA Topic 4.2.3.4, “Positions of Responsibility,” with its six subtopics."

So if BSA goes under, youth can still earn Eagle.  Good to know.  How will he or she get a Board of Review?

 

Edited by TAHAWK

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2 hours ago, DuctTape said:

The easiest answer would have been: "Yes, however each of the units is still responsible to their own CO. A unit may invite individual members  to visit, and participate in the unit's activities."

DuctTape for National Commissioner!!

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51 minutes ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

DuctTape for National Commissioner!!

ummm, no thank you.

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In the Cleveland area, we support Duck Tape®.

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Laurel Highlands council just cancelled its resident programs at Heritage Reservation. That'll be it for summer camp in Western PA.

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7 hours ago, bsaggcmom said:

On a different but related note, 2 dams in mid Michigan failed 2 nights ago after the region received 8 inches of rain in less than 2 days. The staff and neighbors of Camp Rotary loaded most/all of the camps beds for summer camp into trucks and took them to the flood zone for shelters to use. See the link below for more info.

 

Weird little factoid, the owner of the failed Boyce Hydro dam is a man named Lee Mueller, who appears to be the son of a socialite named Virginia Boyce Lind—and the grandson of the newspaper magnate who founded the Boy Scouts.

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8 hours ago, T2Eagle said:

Weird little factoid, the owner of the failed Boyce Hydro dam is a man named Lee Mueller, who appears to be the son of a socialite named Virginia Boyce Lind—and the grandson of the newspaper magnate who founded the Boy Scouts.

Great. There's another lawsuit against BSA.

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Skymont (Cherokee Area Council) has cancelled for the summer.  

Atlanta has cancelled Bert Adams for the Summer while Woodruff is delayed until Week 5 (June 28).

Also a slew of program adjustments (see below)

What kind of changes are you looking at for Summer Camp?

We know this is a fluid situation and it will continue to change, Summer Camp will look different. At this time, we are evaluating the following likely scenarios at camp:

Screening

  • Robust screening of all participants and staff upon  arrival including temperature check and specific screening questions
  • Elimination of Family Night at camp and ensuring that all people coming onto camp are medically screened
  • Twice daily temperature checks performed and recorded by Troop leadership

Food Service

  • 1 meal a day cooked in your campsite
  • 1 meal cooked and delivered to your site
  • Lunch served in a “grab and go” manner
  • Troops being asked to bring some of their own cooking supplies

Tenting

  • Single occupancy or limited to family members sharing a tent. Some larger Troops may be asked to bring their own tent to accommodate their campers.

Program Areas

  • Limit class size to enable social distancing
  • Conduct some programs with social distancing including Outdoor Skills, Mountaineer (1st-year camper) and Nature
  • Not offering some programs where social distancing is not practical including COPE and Climbing, Lifesaving and Welding
  • Aquatics and Shooting Sports with greatly reduced capacity, limited program offering and robust cleaning of equipment
  • No campfires or mass camp activities (i.e. evening camp-wide games, etc.)
  • No whitewater rafting or offsite activities such as Horseback riding
  • Modified “free time”

Enhanced cleaning of all camp areas

  • Staff would clean and sanitize common areas multiple times per day
  • Participants would be asked to assist (as usual) in ensuring camp is clean

These scenarios will change as additional guidance is released. We appreciate your continued understanding as we adjust to this fluid situation. 

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3 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

"Program Areas

  • Limit class size [six] to enable social distancing"

School days, school days, dear old Golden Rule days.  Clueless.

 

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