Eagle1993 Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 USC has a $5B endowment. They can pay this without bankruptcy or selling buildings and firing anyone. I think that is the big difference. BSA has made large payouts in the past $19.9M to a single victim. I think the current situation has more to do with the mass claims and limited assets instead of who the actual victims are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: USC has a $5B endowment. They can pay this without bankruptcy or selling buildings and firing anyone. I think that is the big difference. BSA has made large payouts in the past $19.9M to a single victim. I think the current situation has more to do with the mass claims and limited assets instead of who the actual victims are. Yup. I understand. As to the last point, I was highlighting that the $$ figure achieved by the plaintiffs’ side may in part reflect who they are and who USC knows they are, if you get my drift, as we used to say. If not, I’ll snow again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mashmaster Posted March 27, 2021 Author Share Posted March 27, 2021 I know I am nervous about the outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/20/2021 at 6:35 AM, ThenNow said: Popped up on a search this morning. https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/madison-boy-scouts-to-sell-camp-indian-trails-to-cover-sexual-abuse-settlement/article_43d399b7-c06f-5049-8875-07246ce13eba.html It occurs to me that this Council, Glacier's Edge, serves WI and IL, both closed states. They are also the source for being "committed to meeting our social and moral responsibility to equitable compensate survivors of past abuse." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walk in the woods Posted March 28, 2021 Share Posted March 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Eagle1993 said: USC has a $5B endowment. They can pay this without bankruptcy or selling buildings and firing anyone. I think that is the big difference. BSA has made large payouts in the past $19.9M to a single victim. I think the current situation has more to do with the mass claims and limited assets instead of who the actual victims are. Assuming parts of the endowment aren't restricted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 If anyone is interested, here is a link to state SoL changes and legislation. A few states had bills introduced in previous sessions, but may be stuck in committee or died while there. Remember, this is a child victims advocacy group so that is the tenor of the recap. https://childusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/2021-SOL-Tracker.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Notice of Hearing on estimation motion. 5/19/21. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/884164_2475.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 8 minutes ago, ThenNow said: Notice of Hearing on estimation motion. 5/19/21. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/884164_2475.pdf That is interesting as it is AFTER the Disclosure Statement Approval Hearing. So essentially, after BSA's updated settlement offer. That makes me think the estimation will have more impact on the insurance claims than on the BSA offer. Any idea when info will come out from the mediation session to be held tomorrow - Thursday this week? I wonder if it will give a key reading on how assets will be confirmed as restricted (or not) and which LCs are (are not) participating. I have my PLC meeting today and we are discussing high adventure trips in 2022 and 2023. At this point I will be telling them that I recommend avoiding the National BSA bases ... but I really hope I don't have to tell them all BSA bases are off limits. It would be great to know as planning can take years for the bigger trips. I'm trying to read the tea leaves.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: Any idea when info will come out from the mediation session to be held tomorrow - Thursday this week? I wonder if it will give a key reading on how assets will be confirmed as restricted (or not) and which LCs are (are not) participating. I have no clue. Someone else may have an idea, though. I would think it greatly depends on what is accomplished, if anything, and whether confidential follow-on conversations are required to reach some measure of agreement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 29, 2021 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Eagle1993 said: That makes me think the estimation will have more impact on the insurance claims than on the BSA offer. If they don't talk about the estimation at the mediation sessions that would be sorta mind blowing. Again, I'm in the shadow of darkness within a cave in the woods. PS - I've been advised to keep my expectations right about ankle level, if that says anything. Edited March 29, 2021 by ThenNow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MYCVAStory Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 Because of the confidential nature of mediation there should be little news of the proceedings the next three days. The TCC will be holding its April Town Hall on Thursday April 8th. I suspect there will be some discussion then to the extent possible. Remember, mediation has been on-going and will be continuing so while the next three days are more "intensive" they aren't the start or end of the process and confidentiality rules will continue. Town hall starts at 8PM on the 8th. Link is https://pszjlaw.zoom.us/j/84324072960 TCCBSA.COM for links to past meeting recordings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThenNow Posted March 30, 2021 Share Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) On the Camp Gustin sale. The family of the namesake and donor is asserting a potential deed restriction and reversionary interest. https://www.sunjournal.com/2021/03/29/gustin-family-urging-boy-scouts-not-to-sell-sabattuss-camp-gustin/ Edited March 30, 2021 by ThenNow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle1993 Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 There have been several rejects to the BSA plan filed by various lawfirms. See one example below. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/884597_2497.pdf I've noticed an interesting trend. All include this information: Quote The Disclosure Statement does not include in its liquidation analysis the properties of the local councils. Under the Debtors’ governance documents, a local council’s property reverts to the Debtors if the local council’s charter is not renewed. In a Chapter 7 liquidation of the Debtors, the Chapter 7 trustee presumably would not renew any local council charters. Since the properties revert to the Debtors, the liquidation analysis must include the liquidation value of all local council real and personal property. So, it seems clear that on the claimants side, the belief is that given out BSA is structured, if national liquidates, it will mean the liquidation of the entire BSA assets (all councils). I(This is only one side of the legal argument I am sure, but it does indicate ALL councils could be at risk, regardless of their individual claims or SOL laws). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RememberSchiff Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 12:44 PM, RememberSchiff said: Speaking of which, has the 2021 BSA Report to the Nation been delivered to Congress? 36 U.S. Code § 30908 Annual Report Not later than April 1 of each year, the corporation shall submit a report to Congress on the activities of the corporation during the prior calendar year. Recall last year 2020 https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2020/02/28/these-13-outstanding-scouts-will-deliver-the-bsas-report-to-the-nation/ Delivered virtually. I do not know if a video is available but here is two page report. There is no explanation of membership reduction or mention of the Chapter 11 bankruptcy. https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2021/03/RTTN_8.5x11.pdf 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David CO Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, RememberSchiff said: Delivered virtually. I do not know if a video is available but here is two page report. There is no explanation of membership reduction or mention of the Chapter 11 bankruptcy. I'm sure it must have just slipped their minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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