johnsch322

My take for what is worth is that the National and the LC's have sweetened their offer but TCC is holding out for a bit more. The insurance company's (except Hartford) won't be included nor the CO's. Hartford wants to be part of the settlement and maybe has guaranteed the 650 million with no caveats and possibly increased the amount (insurance company's have been part of the mediation). If this is what is presented it will pass the vote (at least I would vote for it). Then the lawsuits can be filed against the insurers and the CO's.

I think the word "appropriate" should be used as: is it appropriate for me to be asking in this forum about what one might get personally in a settlement. You know how you were abused and you can go to https://www.pszjlaw.com/creditor-125.html and look at the table posted and what the TCC believes is a appropriate. You can do a little research for number of cases and degree abuse and try to make a wild guess like the rest of us about how much total monies might come in. But the truth is until the end of the day when money gets paid out no one really knows. I wouldn't make long term plans for any money and if you are young enough go back to school and get an education.

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You are correct. This lull in posting has given me a chance to read postings on other topics. I have gotten the distinct impression that the average scouter/leader really wants all of this to be resolved. Between the bankruptcy and Covid BSA as a whole has had a very rough year.

The silence on this topic right now is deafening.

One reason I see every LC signing (especially those with look back windows) is the cost of litigation. If BSA has no skin in the game will they contribute to an LC's legal costs....I d not think so. Of course I am sure that those LC's might have the ability to pay in later. Most likely before the approval of a plan.

That is just the cram down plan and why would the the TCC approve it. They would be way better off waiting for the exclusivity to end. Also some councils have sold off assets and sent letters to their members stating the money is going to the settlement.

So if your claim falls into scenario #3 would you vote yes? What about the 10's of thousands of claims that named no local council....how would you vote then? Still needs to be enough votes.

Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys BSA and the Survivors Representatives apparently close to a deal. Agreed request for continuance of tomorrow's hearing. Stay tuned. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/e97b2e05-5d1f-47ac-a4e2-541eb269322c_5219.pdf… 2:20 PM · Jun 3, 2021·Twitter Web App

Still not sure how it could work without all of the LC's contributing from the get go.

I completely agree. Especially if the LC's assets are reverted back to the National upon termination of the charter. LC's are not franchises.

The question will be are LC's the "alter ego" of the national.

In the corporate world you basically have the same situation. Corporate veils are pierced quite often. When push comes to shove so will this one.

I believe they should be allowed to exist and they should get another chance to prove that they are able to not make the past mistakes but victims should come first. Victims should be adequately, fairly and justly compensated. BSA should be actively going after the insurance company's (not just making meager agreements with back doors for them) and compelling the LC's to put up as much as possible not allowing them to be hiding behind a veil (BSA should come out and say we have control of the LC's because they do). Not just trying to give the least possible in effort and monetary compensation.

Either. What do you as an individual feel? Is 2.3 or 2.7 million for the upper end meet what you would call adequate/equitable or do you think it is high or low?

Yes that is what the BSA says and the TCC has a much larger figure. Not so interested in the legal stances I wonder more about what individuals feel.

So all of the phrasing is basically the same. BSA and the TCC has put forward a Matrix. BSA says as of now there there is not enough assets to meet the matrix payouts. But there might be in the future. My question is and I am putting it to the forum do you think that the matrix is fair and adequate? Do you think 50% is or is it low when you add in say 50 years of suffering?

I keep hearing and heard in the NAM presentation the words "adequate compensation" yet what gets put on the table seems to me to be far less than adequate. So I pose this to the forum...What does "adequate compensation" equate to you? I am very curious what those who were not abused have to say and how that would be compared to a survivors perspective.

Moved to Bankruptcy topic

Not sure how this could work. If hypothetically National and half of the LC's settled and a trust was established who gets access to the trust money. If claimant A's LC settled and B's doesn't can B participate and get as much as A (if abuse was even) from the trust? Does B retain his right to sue his LC? If B sues his LC does the portion or percentage given by the other LC's to the trust get deducted from his settlement and go back into the trust? Does the right to retain the ability to sue have a dollar value? Whew seems kind of messy. I think it will have to be one or the other.

Scouts or unit leaders that matter are unaware of the bankruptcy details, and that is good (he should of put a thank god in there)

I am sure you are correct and we all know that reading emails to that address is not something he actually does. Only after an assistant screens them.

This might be the start of more states AG's opening investigations especially those that might need to garner public positivity. Could Gavin Newsom here in California who needs to distract attention from his recall ask the AG here to help him out?

In the TCC letter to the judge I find it amazing that all the email addresses are exposed. Maybe we should all email Mr. Schiavone and ask him why he won't comply? LOL

I would hope that we all have done some research, know that there were 7,800 (at least) individuals named in the perversion files and get beyond a narrative of "some bad apples". I am sure that out of 85K claims there are some false or some outright lies being told but that does not support a "some bad apples" narrative.