johnsch322

Does this sound somewhat familiar Police were not to be called on predatory coaches at USA Gymnastics, says former worker – Press Enterprise (pe.com) And what was the payout to the victims for this misguided, shameful, coverup/hide policy?

What methods are you talking about? The advertising in Facebook and other media with the headline "Were you abused in Scouting" well thank god they did because until then I thought I was the only one. BSA knew 11 to 13 boys in my troop had been abused but not one person from BSA asked me that question. How they go about what? Bring lawsuits against the BSA? There had been dozens of lawsuits successfully won and or settled prior to all of this. These were just the miniscule tip of the proverbial iceberg. The BSA was so afraid of sinking like the Titanic that they entered into Bankruptcy thinking it was the easiest the inevitable. Unreasonable expectations? So is restitution in the amount of say $500,000, $1,000,000, 10,000,000 or $20,000,000 unreasonable? If you were the victim of 2 men when you were a boy, lived a life of hell and had the unspeakable happen to you what amount would be reasonable. The only reason the number is $103 Billion is because of the shear number of cases. The cost of mental health care itself can run into the 100's of thousands of dollars. Not everyone has insurance resources and must pay these expenses out of pocket. The larger damage? Damn don't exactly know where to go with that. BSA will be allowed to live on but mine and possibly 100's of thousands of lives were destroyed by BSA policies of cover up and hide. Solutions that are balanced? I think you are trying to say solutions that cost the BSA less assets. Am I mistaken? I am glad to hear that you did your due diligence if you had information but as you say they weren't sexual. Follow up should be with the victim making sure the aren't goods afterwards. BSA dropped the ball? Heck they did the proverbial we own the ball and we make the rules. Their rule was deny deny, and hide the facts. Lobby against anything that might damage our reputation and don't ever do anything that might help the victims of our rules. Fair and rational outcome? What would you consider fair and rational? Needing legal help in this situation I signed away 33.3% (contingent) of my settlement which (which is fair and reasonable). If you wish my lawyer/law firm to get little or no compensation you are wishing the same for myself and most other victims/survivors.

You are correct that money cannot cure everything. However restitution for pain, mental suffering, loss of possible wages (personally I think I underachieved in this life because of the abuse), my daughters suffering from my emotional unavailability (if there is enough restitution at some point she will benefit) and the fact I realize now I might need mental care the rest of my lifetime so restitution/money won't cure me but it will make my life easier. Are you so naive to think that the BSA ever cared for those of us who were abused? Did they ever reach out and say hey we have issues within BSA and your troop and we suspect you may have been a victim and want to help you? Hell no they didn't. Only with legal pressure (deleted) did they do anything positive. I read your profile and see you were an ASM in 1966 and 1967 (67 was the year I was raped by 2 adult volunteers) and you have been active in BSA for most of your life. Did you ever hear of anything going on and if you did were you alerting scouts to this issue? When all of this started to come to light many years ago did you go to the higher ups and say hey we need to do something here. (deleted) this was started because to many leaders in troops, and councils, and in the national turned there backs and did not do what was correct. This in military terms is called a failure to lead. If it wasn't for lawyers the perversion files would not have seen the light of day. If it wasn't for the legal system the BSA would still be hiding everything. If BSA had not hid and covered up what was happening they might not have the wealth they have today since the big reason it was hidden because they did not want their fund raising, donations, and scout levels to drop. The TCC has publicly stated that they do not want to destroy the BSA. (deleted). And as for your "Good luck" you can keep it...I just want full restitution for all that I deserve.

You don’t have to tell me I am dealing with it every day.

Muttsy I hate to be the one to tell you but we are already in 2021 and half of it is gone. But I get what you are implying.

I would say 12 to 18 months for money from BSA and LC’s and 3 to 4 years for insurance money. They will be fighting and delaying at every turn.

Thank you for the clarification. Given that I would think that it would make sense for all of the insurance company's to try to settle beforehand. Possibly the TCC et.al does not want them to knowing the trustee will determine they will owe much more.

I take from that statement a lawsuit can be filed against an insurance company by the trustee?

Ok. How does the trustee get the non settled insurance company's to pay into the settlement? Where will the motivation be to settle if they cannot be sued? Or will the trustee be suing them on behalf of all claimants or will they file individual suits? Sorry if I sound ignorant.

So if my LC opts into the settlement I have to depend on the trustee to go after the insurance company? I cannot go after them as an individual? I am a little confused.

So if one were to opt out of the settlement could the BSA, LC be sued?

So if the revised plan is passed as is, will lawsuits against the insurers be allowed on an individual basis i.e. survivor in California which has look back?

Yesterday I was a recipient of an email from the law firm representing me. It emphasized that this really is just the beginning and that the earliest they expect any of the settlement to be distributed will be in about 9 months. This will be a slow process but the real process has just started. It has been anguishing up to now and I don’t expect it to get any easier. @ThenNowwe still need you around. Your insights are valuable and you and everyone else relieves some of my stress. Thank you all.

I feel a need to revisit this. BSA has spent a tremendous amount of money for legal fees and other costs associated with this bankruptcy and they did it for one reason to keep themselves from losing everything. It is probably more then the amount that they want National to put into the settlement trust. White Cassel has made a large bucket of money and will make more the longer that this drags on (which is to their benefit). Who are the activists you are referring to that wants to "tear down another pillar of traditional American society & culture"? The "bureaucrats protecting their rears" all seem to be part of BSA national hence the strategy of the global plan and the short sightedness of how many survivors would come forward (and that back fired big time). I don't think victims are being victimized all over again by #1 and #2 but more by the #1 the BSA (offering so little and spending so much to offer so little) and the BSA legal team who came up with this crazy legal strategy. If it wasn't for the lawyers who reached out and made it OK to come forward who let survivors know they weren't the only victims the BSA's strategy may have worked. I believe that if it wasn't for the lawyers you believe are victimizing survivors would get much less compensation when all is said and done. Who is going to go up against the insurance company's, the CO's and maybe the LC's? And yes they do not do it for free.

Even the smokers knew that it increased risk for death. My father started smoking at the age of 12 and told me that they called cigarettes "coffin sticks" back that then. He died of lung cancer and it didn't take a warning on a cigarette pack to tell him what his eventuality would be. BSA knew long before I became a scout that there was a distinct chance that I could be abused (they had records and files about abusers) yet I am sure that no one told my parents and definitely never told me "hey be careful we don't know a lot about those men that will be camping with you or your child". Maybe if they had I would never been a scout and never been abused.

My experience is that my rapist raped 11- 13 other young boys. The Boy Scouts knew about it (several letters from Troop Master to local council talking about it. Yes he was forced out out of that troop tried again in a different state and was denied the ability to volunteer (and he got his $2 application fee back) and that local council was told to tell him politely that his services were not needed. Wonder where he went next to get his rocks off? I wonder how many more young boys did he victimize? If he was caught later was BSA culpable because they didn't turn him into law enforcement. This crisis/sh_t storm was caused because the BSA did not want bad publicity which could cause harm to their fund raising efforts. And yes you are making excuses and as a victim I don't feel victimized again I actually feel empowered!!

I would say then that not much has changed in the positive (as far as anyone knows for sure) since November 17, 2020.

Not sure when the video first aired but Kosnoff just put this on Twitter Kosnoff Law @SexAbuseAttys Can the Boy Scouts survive a flood of sexual abuse claims? https://youtu.be/wA5FeET9ByE via @YouTube Can the Boy Scouts survive a flood of sexual abuse claims? The Boy Scouts of America’s process of dealing with decades of sexual abuse allegations has entered a new phase. Now that the deadline for abuse survivors to... youtube.com 12:12 PM · Jun 14, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

Any idea how long ago these statements were made? The TCC said they had a presentation for each LC but were afraid National would not let them see the presentation.

Yes the perversion files stated that individuals with names were abusers. Some were labeled homosexual especially in earlier years. In my case a government document says that he admitted to homosexuality but we all know that he was a pedophile. He was suspected of abusing 11 to 13 boys in my troop. The file is made up of numerous letters between the national and local council.

Yes 85,000 is a big number but in my opinion that number is way higher. 30% of men die between the ages of 50 to 80 years old. There was 53,619 claims in the years between 1954 and 1984 (if average age of abuse was 13 these victims would be between the ages of 50 to 80 now). If the 30% were still alive and were to claim that would be an additional 16,086 claims. That does not take take into account those who may still be alive suffering from dementia and or mental illness who cannot because of their conditions make a claim. Look at it a different way...what was the number of abuse incidents versus the number of local councils or scout troops? I bet those figures would look a bit more scary. In 1970 there were 493 local councils. There are 2,839 claims for the year 1970. That is 5.75 claims on average for the 493 local councils...shocking? Remember that number would be higher if all victims were alive or somewhat competent.

I learned while serving in the military you can only sue the government if the give you permission. There will be no permission granted.

I concur.

When the insurance company's first came up with their idea of rooting out false claims I thought it was a good idea. I figured there will be more money in the pot for myself. I talked to a lawyer whom I trust and he told me that that was a delaying tactic and that the actual cost of investigation, interrogation etc. etc. would cost far more than paying out on those claims. Seeing how much has been paid so far in legal fees I tend to agree with him. That being said if a smaller amount was offered up to all for dropping out with the possibility of more vetting of the claims I think a lot of the false claims would disappear.

How about how much time has past from the abuse, trying to keep it out of your mind for 40 to 50 years and now you are 70 or 80 years old and memories are not what they used to be. Good enough?