johnsch322

The statute of limitations for criminal conviction will keep most of the abusers from prosecution both in open and closed states. What would be better for us in open states is if there are ono releases given to LC's, CO's and insurance company's.

I will not go as far as BSA should cease to exist but I honestly do not believe they can police themselves. If the largest source of CSA to date happened in the BSA and if the BSA was truly repentant why would they not adopt the YPT that the TCC is recommending? If the BSA wanted fair and equitable compensation why would they cut deals with Hartford and set a precedent by doing so? Same could be said for the LDS church when both have and can afford much more? If the Local Councils want the benefits of bankruptcy without having to go thru bankruptcy why are they not contributing substantially more for that privilege? In my honest opinion I believe it is because they are arrogant by nature. They have a we know better attitude so we will do as we want and expect everyone to follow along. Same for some of the contributors to this forum. They have no empathy, no compassion and no sense of justice for anyone but themselves. These same posters if they were hit by a truck while in their car and had major injuries would never accept just let us fix your car, and pay your medical bills. They would be screaming about their pain and suffering, lost wages, and the mental anguish they suffer now and in the future. They would hire the best personal injury lawyer they could find (at probably a 40% contingency fee) and when they received their portion of a 1 to 10 million dollar or more settlement would tell everyone what a great lawyer they have. The difference is if that happened to them so they would be entitled. We the survivors they believe are entitled to less. PS most of the perpetrators are out of the reach of the law due to Statute of Limitations or they are dead.

Just the result.

I feel sorry for you as a human being.

This line of thought is one of the most insulting words I have read on this site. Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" would be comparable. I for one and other survivors I know are in therapy and have sought mental health solutions for ourselves and believe me it has not always helped. At best it keeps us barely on just the plus side of function with occasional slips backward. I know this because I live it on a daily basis. Since I have sought help (which started not to far in the past) I take my Prozac daily have meetings with my therapist and my psychiatrist. Any time I have to fill out a questionnaire I have to put a check next to the box of do you suffer from depression and anxiety and PTSD. I have had very real issues with my physical health (fistulas and the outcome of the surgery that was because of being raped). To say just give them "mental help and counseling' should be appalling to every member of this forum.

With the TCC pushing hard for YPT versus the BSA wanting window dressing of just one survivor board member I fail to see your point. The TCC is also pushing for better trust disposition of whatever money is awarded. I see no party that has liability in this matter throwing money at survivors in fact it is just the opposite I see the BSA, LC's, CO's and insurance company's making extraordinary efforts to pay as little as possible. It is very apparent that you are not a survivor and have not much idea of what transpires in a survivors life. Survivors are not driven by greed rather as a whole we are driven by just compensation for lost opportunities of life that was denied us. I have not seen anyone condemning the USA Gymnastics settlement saying anything about the greedy gymnasts so why label BSA CSA survivors as greedy? As for current youth I have yet to see anyone give an actual case where they are not being served or will not have opportunity to be served in the future.

You would have to see the actual costs and the money saved. If it was a 10 year payback I would think that was reasonable. With the rising cost of gas and electricity and if it is in a cold weather climate it could have been a smart move.

Either way a smart move. The coalition and/or the BSA should have never protested the email blast.

This was a very smart move on their part and shows all that they are more about survivors than personal egos.

That is only $17 per person per weekend....sounds like a deal.

Surely you cannot be surprised. I have found the integrity of the TCC and its legal team to be top notch.

This might be why the coalition is pushing for the low ball offer. If a majority of their claims are bogus they know those claimants will want the $3500. Their piece of that might be worth more than their legitimate claims.

Does this mean you are in favor for a Chapter 7 liquidation of BSA? That would give you one less youth organization to compete with for members correct? I get down voted for questioning someone who wants to create their own non profit scouting? And for giving my opinion on the amount the LC's are contributing to the plan. Which by the way is an opinion held by survivors and non survivors alike.

As a survivor I would say unsuitable and from the bankruptcy point of to be channeled the amount offered is supposed to be significant. When you look at the total liabilities 600M is not significant.

Does this mean you are in favor for a Chapter 7 liquidation of BSA? That would give you one less youth organization to compete with for members correct?

The LC's offer is 600M. If the plan passed that would get all LC's off the hook now and if other states open up their SOL's they won't be affected (essentially bankruptcy protection without paying the price). The TCC's and many of the law firms say that is to little to get those protections and have sent the LC's BRG dashboards that show larger amounts that could be contributed.

Barry it is a mindset and I am a survivor of Child Sexual Abuse. I choose not to be a victim.

No matter what the LC's offer was much to low and the and the BRG analysis of the LC's show that. On top of that the only people who will decide on the low ball offer will be survivors. It is a far stretch of imagination that even 75% of survivors would vote yes and more that that would more than likely have to.

The TCC. Even the BSA says combined the LC’s have over 2 billion in assets.

No one has said they have billions in hidden assets but the do have billions in assets that are in the open.

I agree. I miss both of them for their insightfulness and ability to bring clarity to issues. I also miss @ThenNowfor his humor and self deprecating attitude that not everyone appreciated. I miss @CynicalScouter also for his passion and his honesty. Many a time I posted something wondering if it would pass muster with him and if he made a comment back to me I knew it would be his truth. Once again something not always appreciated. I believe the loss of both of these men on this forum is a loss for the forum community no matter which side of the issues you believe in.

TCC’s email went out over the Kosnoff email. They had to eat a little crow.

Swaying the vote is what all lawyers do. Otherwise we would just have the packet without letters and no communication with lawyers.

I have made this statement before. While living in Canada my daughter was in Girl Scouts. In order for my wife to accompany her on an overnight she had to have a background check done by the RCMP and we had to pay for it. We did and did not complain.

BSA only started to get serious about youth protection policies when they started to get sued and lose. I didn’t say it wasn’t serious now but every program has room for improvement.