johnsch322

What do you mean by targeted?

Comparing the long term effects of sexual abuse to anguish over alcohol dependency/abuse and then saying there is a balance with good memories gives me distinct opinion that you have no idea about the long term effects of Child Sexual Abuse. Unless you yourself are a survivor please stop trying to deflect from what you post. What you posted and the subsequent posts were a trigger to at least one survivor and maybe multiple others. As far as your suspicions I wouldn’t doubt that those who are abusers have a tendency to have alcoholic and or drug abuse issues themselves. As far as for the ASM that brought the alcohol to the BSA campout I wonder what his intentions were? It was two ASM’s who brought alcohol and pornography plus who knows what else to a campout and raped myself. I hoped someone looked further into his background to see what else he may have done.

Obviously, you did read exactly what I wrote. Instead of a condemnation of an ASM who brought alcohol I read light banter about the brand and the ASM needed a better mentor to choose a better brand. You chose to make the leap. There is a poster on these forums who is a survivor (not myself but I am, and alcohol was used in my abuse) who read the original post and the subsequent posts. As a result of reading them he has suffered mental anguish because it relived his memory and caused him concern that the same situations may be occurring.

The usage of alcohol by abusers to entice victims for sexual pleasure/perversion was one of the most common methods used When I read follow on posts that came after this where only the merits of the brand and other brands are discussed but not one condemnation I wonder if this practice of taking alcohol on campouts by adults still occur.

Now that the voting is done and most of the lawyers probably have a fairly good idea how the vote stands and if it looks like it will be rejected there will be a few of them losing sleep. If the confirmation turns into a cram down the $3500 opt out may go entirely away. Especially the law firms who did very little vetting of their clients and were expecting to get at least $1400 per client. At best the opt out will be around $500. Lawyers take on that will be around $200 and even if you had 1,000 clients that is only $200,000 which may not be enough to pay back their loans. Think of the firm with 100 clients who all voted yes I bet they have more than 20,000 invested.

Honestly @ThenNowposts are coherent, maybe at times sarcastic and witty but much needed. I see nothing unscoutlike form him.

From my observations on the way the voting is a total screw up, the BSA choosing the coalition and their less than scrupulous methods of dealing with their clients and the good chance that BSA will not be able to get a confirmation in their favor I hope someone at BSA asks the question: Did all those millions of dollars we spent over the past couple of years just go up in smoke?

And who knows but this bankruptcy could just go "up in smoke".

My thoughts exactly. How can not one of 100 vote differently. I also would like to know if this was a coalition lawyer.

We shall see in due time.

I do not believe it will overwhelmingly pass and would not be surprised if it gets less than a 50% yes vote.

I haven’t watched the video but I did read the transcript. It gives a very telling behind the scenes look at the coalition. It is no wonder why TK wanted to be deposed. It is a story that needed to be told.

What kind of comment is that t0 a Merry Christmas post to an individual? would like to see how you react to "Good will towards all men"?

Merry Christmas to you @ThenNow!! You give with all of your wit and insights all year long.

I doubt that there was many survivors “who learned to live with their demons” in a type of life that you have lived. Also for every survivor who the sick feeling that may have come more awake there are more survivors who as result of this bankruptcy have sought out help and have been able to bond with others. I am not sure where you are in life but for many of us we finally feel empowered against the system that abused us.

I have been reading statements from survivors that they are now getting calls from coalition lawyers telling them that they filled out their ballots incorrectly and need to vote again. These claimants are saying that they know they voted correctly and they all say they voted no. The coalition lawyers are urging them to revote thru the coaltions e-ballot. Other survivors are urging them to contact the court. Reviewing the votes is going to be a mess.

“Oh, the red button there kid. Don’t ever, ever touch the red button”

The bigger question would be why was he allowed into the BSA to start with?

Tina Turner is warming up her vocals ”out of the ruins out from the wreckage can’t make the same mistake this time we are the children the last generation we are the ones they left behind”

So what happens if they do not reach the 100 million goal?

Once some form of a settlement is done will not mean that survivors won't still be suffering. I try to think about how I can help others. How can my voice, my pen and my words be used to help other survivors? I cannot answer myself at this point of time but hopefully an answer will come to me.

I value perspectives. I want to hear about diverse experiences. I learn from others. This has been a long and winding road. I am not "greedy" and I do not believe that anyone who is a survivor is greedy. We all have had a different journey in how we have reacted to our abuse. I am on multiple forums and I will tell you that survivors come from all walks of life and have walked a myriad of journeys. I will also tell you that not one survivor I have talked to has struck me as greedy. I do find that a lot of survivors are misinformed, confused, angry, and trust no one. Many believe that the BSA should be eradicated and that the leadership should be imprisoned. In some ways how can you blame them. Some believe they should receive millions. How can you blame them? They see and hear from media on a constant basis about multimillion dollar individual settlements from insurance companies, abusers, and enablers. To wish for yourself a settlement that is the same is not greediness. I ask myself on an almost daily basis what I want the outcome of the BSA bankruptcy to be for me and if there is a dollar amount that would satisfy me. I am smart enough to know that money alone will not take away my pain or by itself make me a happy person. I used the 30% VA disability to highlight how little the current settlement is (I am a veteran with a 30% disability but not for PTSD). My $500 month has not cured my tinnitus nor given me back my hearing. My hands still ache every day. I think about my survivor contacts who to this day are fighting their addiction issues whether they are using or fighting to stay sober. I think about my survivor friends and myself who fight depression, take antidepressants daily and have constant therapy sessions. I think about @ThenNowwho has been hospitalized as a result of someone who took advantage of him and he has to pay for this treatment out of his own pocket. I am sure that it has cost him close to $500,000 so farin his lifetime. If I had to pay for my own treatment it would be an easy $500 per month for just therapy and drugs. Is it greed to wish for these costs to be covered? I daydream sometimes wondering what my life would have been like if I didn't have anger issues, trust issues and could emotionally connect in relationships. I grieve over the fact that because of my depression I contributed to my daughters depression and her suicide attempt. I get angry with the BSA for reaching an agreement with the insurance companies. How dare the BSA who never reached out to me knowing at least 11 boys in my troop were molested by one of my abusers and now believe that they should come to a deal with the insurers on my behalf for a pittance of their net worth. I ask is that greed? I get emotional when someone says or insinuates that I am robbing a young person of the experience of scouting when it was the BSA who chose the bankruptcy route and then decided to try give LC's, CO's, and insurers etc. a way to get out from under liabilities for pennies on the dollar. Is that greed on my part? Once again, I do not believe that myself nor the majority of survivors are "greedy" for wanting more than this current proposal is offering.

My belief is that the insurance company's are not under any pressure right now vs the BSA and the coalition who want to make a large dollar figure and announcements to try to get the settlement to pass. Why offer $5B (hypothetical) when you may get away with $800M?

If you have no idea on how to come up with damages then how can you make an assessment that what survivors are asking for is in your word "greedy"? When a trauma to a person or persons happens as a result of an action by another (especially when it is an adult assaulting a child) there are bound to be personal issues. The blame is on the abuser and the institution that allowed it to happen. If you have not noticed or read the BSA had insurance policies at the times of these atrocities were committed and the policies for the most part were for a cap of one million dollars per occurrence and these policies were written in the 60's and 70's when one million had much more buying power. So why now should anyone feel that a $39,000 dollar average is adequate? But you do cast judgement you call us greedy.

PTSD, Depression and Anxiety as a result of trauma is not apples and oranges. My post was not in reference to how many valid claims there are but instead but instead how much is a valid/equitable compensation that there should be. As you have never gone on the record (except for calling claimants greedy) I will ask you once again...what do you feel would be a proper compensation by dollar figure for a survivor. Please answer honestly because I feel in your heart you want to say ZERO compensation.