johnsch322

Please never stop!!

I would not go that far....it still has us🙂

From my view point that it seems like a dangerous proposition for the BSA to put all their eggs in the coalition basket. With the attacks on the coalition as to the veracity of their claims even by other claimant attorneys it sure looks like something that might well back fire on them. I wonder if anyone in the BSA is having second thoughts?

The TCC says they have not attended mediation talks because they have not been informed of date and times. Is this true and would it be legal to not inform them?

Sent my vote in..they will have it on Thursday!!

Or BSA National only with no pennies on the dollar insurance settlement and let LC’s and CO’s fend for themselves.

Which goes right back to the purpose of the bankruptcy was never about “fair and equitable compensation” it was and is still limiting the amount that BSA would have to pay.

At the time of filing the bankruptcy and the wording equitable compensation was used there was no Hartford deal, no LC deal and no CO deal and BSA offered up 250M so 250M/ 5,000 = $50,000 250M/ 10,000 = $25,000 And that was because they were facing 181 lawsuits at the time and wanted to put those suits on hold.

Broke and dislocated my little finger in elementary school. We were playing dodgeball with a red schoolyard ball. Went to my Cub Scout meeting after school and the Den mother was horrified by my finger sticking out sideways from my hand. When my mother picked me up I told her I just needed to soak it and it would be OK. I got a one night stay in the hospital and a big cast in Wiesbaden Germany.

"Equitable compensation" to survivors has never been the goal of the BSA in this bankruptcy. The only goal that the BSA had was to escape from underneath the liability for the least amount of money possible. The upper limit of 5 to 10K of potential victims was arrogance on their part. If that truly was the amount that they had to pay it still would not have been 150-300k payment on average just do the math...225K (average of 150 to 350) X 10,000 = 2.25 Billion. Initially BSA told LC's and CO's they would not have to contribute and they negotiated with Hartford for a max of 650M so where was that money coming from? "Equitable compensation" are just public relations terms trying to make the public feel for the BSA.

I agree. The TCC would have endorsed the first proposal if the Hartford deal was not included. That proposal had even less money in it from the LC’s so LC’s would have been better off. But no the BSA sided up with the Coalition thinking it would be an easier yes vote and my opinion will it will end up a no. This will cost not BSA more money but will hurt the LC’s.

There are not 98,000 claimants the recognized figure is 82,500. Even if every one of those cases were able to go to court not all would get an award. Not all of those awards would be for a million. And some of the awards would be upwards of a million. Insurance companies have the money but the BSA cut a deal with Hartford which set the bar for other insurance companies. Out of the whole settlement offer that is what angers me personally the most. If the insurance companies are not part of the settlement there will be much more for survivors.

So in your opinion I am only entitled to treatment for emotional and physical injuries? Nothing for pain and suffering for the last 54 years? Nothing for a repaired sphincter that has trouble holding back fecal matter? The docs say the sphincter is as good as it will get. I have never said there was enough assets to pay what might be accomplished if the BSA was not in Bankruptcy. What I will say is that LC’s CO’s and Insurance company’s are not contributing enough to get released from their liabilities. I am sure that you hope it will get approved as I hope it won’t.

As you are referring to my post I will tell you that I have read multiple post from multiple people discounting what survivors are due under the law. We are due compensation for pain and suffering as would an accident victim would be and anyone saying less is saying we as survivors are due less than others. There is no one throwing money at survivors. As I have said this is a line of thought I have read from multiple posters.

The statute of limitations for criminal conviction will keep most of the abusers from prosecution both in open and closed states. What would be better for us in open states is if there are ono releases given to LC's, CO's and insurance company's.

I will not go as far as BSA should cease to exist but I honestly do not believe they can police themselves. If the largest source of CSA to date happened in the BSA and if the BSA was truly repentant why would they not adopt the YPT that the TCC is recommending? If the BSA wanted fair and equitable compensation why would they cut deals with Hartford and set a precedent by doing so? Same could be said for the LDS church when both have and can afford much more? If the Local Councils want the benefits of bankruptcy without having to go thru bankruptcy why are they not contributing substantially more for that privilege? In my honest opinion I believe it is because they are arrogant by nature. They have a we know better attitude so we will do as we want and expect everyone to follow along. Same for some of the contributors to this forum. They have no empathy, no compassion and no sense of justice for anyone but themselves. These same posters if they were hit by a truck while in their car and had major injuries would never accept just let us fix your car, and pay your medical bills. They would be screaming about their pain and suffering, lost wages, and the mental anguish they suffer now and in the future. They would hire the best personal injury lawyer they could find (at probably a 40% contingency fee) and when they received their portion of a 1 to 10 million dollar or more settlement would tell everyone what a great lawyer they have. The difference is if that happened to them so they would be entitled. We the survivors they believe are entitled to less. PS most of the perpetrators are out of the reach of the law due to Statute of Limitations or they are dead.

Just the result.

I feel sorry for you as a human being.

This line of thought is one of the most insulting words I have read on this site. Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" would be comparable. I for one and other survivors I know are in therapy and have sought mental health solutions for ourselves and believe me it has not always helped. At best it keeps us barely on just the plus side of function with occasional slips backward. I know this because I live it on a daily basis. Since I have sought help (which started not to far in the past) I take my Prozac daily have meetings with my therapist and my psychiatrist. Any time I have to fill out a questionnaire I have to put a check next to the box of do you suffer from depression and anxiety and PTSD. I have had very real issues with my physical health (fistulas and the outcome of the surgery that was because of being raped). To say just give them "mental help and counseling' should be appalling to every member of this forum.

With the TCC pushing hard for YPT versus the BSA wanting window dressing of just one survivor board member I fail to see your point. The TCC is also pushing for better trust disposition of whatever money is awarded. I see no party that has liability in this matter throwing money at survivors in fact it is just the opposite I see the BSA, LC's, CO's and insurance company's making extraordinary efforts to pay as little as possible. It is very apparent that you are not a survivor and have not much idea of what transpires in a survivors life. Survivors are not driven by greed rather as a whole we are driven by just compensation for lost opportunities of life that was denied us. I have not seen anyone condemning the USA Gymnastics settlement saying anything about the greedy gymnasts so why label BSA CSA survivors as greedy? As for current youth I have yet to see anyone give an actual case where they are not being served or will not have opportunity to be served in the future.

You would have to see the actual costs and the money saved. If it was a 10 year payback I would think that was reasonable. With the rising cost of gas and electricity and if it is in a cold weather climate it could have been a smart move.

Either way a smart move. The coalition and/or the BSA should have never protested the email blast.

This was a very smart move on their part and shows all that they are more about survivors than personal egos.

That is only $17 per person per weekend....sounds like a deal.

Surely you cannot be surprised. I have found the integrity of the TCC and its legal team to be top notch.