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19 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
They locked, archived, and unlisted that thread to hide it.
No way! I just found it today. Maybe my computer hacking skilz are getting better
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35 minutes ago, TAHAWK said:
It probably will be when it is noticed. It does not 100% support the "narrative."
Lol...then someone is asleep at their "narrative steering wheel". It's been there since June.
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@MattR for gauging, that video was not removed by moderators at my.scouting.org
https://discussions.scouting.org/t/diversity-and-inclusion-mb/172457/30
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1 minute ago, tnmule20 said:
It is not my place to teach or discuss any of these proposed requirements with anyone's child. This is the responsibility of the PARENT OR GUARDIAN. Therefore, if implemented, I will require one PARENT OR GUARDIAN of each Scout to become a MBC for this badge and teach their individual Scout. This is such a powder keg how could anyone feel comfortable with teaching something like this to another persons child. There are so many different political, societal, moral, etc. views that this would be impossible unless the goal is for everyone to think of things the same way, which would also be impossible.
@CynicalScouter, I begin to see a way through this... I sign up as a Merit Badge Counselor for this badge. I ask the parents to discuss all these topics and do any items with their Scout. When they tell me it is complete, I sign off the badge. I think I could do that ethically. A Scout is Trustworthy!
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13 minutes ago, TAHAWK said:
OK, I see the banned video addresses, among othe thing, stereotyping of Black males. That was a topic Dr. King addressed many times and is a classic "social justice" issue. It is "prejudice" per se, although opinions differ on why it takes place. omedian So the video is not all one way.
The video is a compilation of interviews and speeches by prominent actors, performers, social activists, etc., and relates the experiences of those people with regards to whether "systemic racism" (see the MB requirements) exists, whether they experienced instances of it, what some of the facts are that people use to justify stereotypes, and appropriate response to perceived wrongs. As @fred8033 said, the video itself is respectful of these people and their views.
@BamBam gave a perfect negative example of what the MB addresses with "Tell what more your unit can do to ensure anyone can participate regardless of their ability, ethnicity, faith, financial background, gender Identity, race, or sexual orientation. " in making a judgement about the validity of someones views and experiences based on their perception of the commenters' "financial background". @BamBam is "hoist with his own petard"
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13 minutes ago, Eagledad said:
Ironically, using the term in the context of her post is also bigotry.
@EagledadBarry, thank you.
What we really need is a Merit Badge that teaches classical disciplines of Logic and Rhetoric versus emotion and persuasion.
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Just now, fred8033 said:
Obviously left leaning.
Lol, I think you meant "right", brother
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1 minute ago, MattR said:
But when a video comes along with the title along the lines of "what the left won't accept" I know it's not going to help move things forward.
@MattR On that point, I agree. The video title does enter the realm of clickbait. But the title does not diminish the importance and perspective of the thoughts, experiences, facts presented by, and advice of any of those it portrays.
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2 minutes ago, fred8033 said:
The video was 100% on target and useful to the discussion. The point is the D,E&I badge will pull in politics. Period. This is another example of BSA picking a fight that will damage BSA.
@fred8033, to your point, and to move the discussion forward with you I respectfully ask you to search for a You Tube video on the interview with Mike Rowe (an Distinguished Eagle Scout, I'm sure you know) titled The Scouts' wounds are 'self-inflicted'
To save those whose feelings would be hurt by the content of that video, and not to burden the thinly stretched moderator corps, I will not post the video here.
It goes to the heart of the discussion here.
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22 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
I am going to bet this rule.
"must pertain to the original post and respectfully move the discussion forward."
How does this not pertain to DI&E MB requirements?
Req 1. The video address facts and opinions of influential people who are members of a perceived disaffected group. Helps to understand what "equity" and "bigotry" are and are not.
These people are perfect examples of "upstanders." They witness unjust accusations and asperisons being cast, and they address them publicly with facts and experience.
Req 2. Self-evident
Req 3. Replete with examples
Req 6. Yup
Req 8. Yup
@MattR , I respectfully disagree with your assessment.
Lol, @CynicalScouter I just thought, maybe I should be a Merit Badge Counselor for this!
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3 minutes ago, MattR said:
I removed the video because it's not helping, it violates the rules, we're running out of moderators, and I'm just tired of watching culture war. Nobody ever changes their mind once we hit this point. I'd suggest looking for a different approach.
Please help me understand which rule this violated?
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1 minute ago, CynicalScouter said:
If you are worried, why not try and lessen it? Or pencilwhip the scouts through?
Because subversion and deceit go against the Scout Oath and Law, and my own personal code of ethics.
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10 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
The massive, massive backpedaling from National continues.
Since the leak of the documents on Facebook, National is getting the FB and Reddit groups to lock down and/or delete posts and denying that the requirements are real.
I saw that, too.
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10 minutes ago, BamBam said:
You choose the views of millionaires to say what is wrong with Black Americans.They are so removed from the plight of everyday Black Americans.
Your statement could not be more prejudiced, bigoted, racist, and classist. And this merit badge will never help you see yourself in the mirror.
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55 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
Why? In all seriousness, this merit badge will happen. If you are concerned, then why not become your unit's MBC for it?
Because of the inherent political agenda of the entire enterprise, and the misguided intent with which it has been established.
I will not indoctrinate Scouts into the language and mindset of "social justice warriors". Nor will I tread on territory I deem sacrosanct to parents.
Over the past few weeks, I have been deep in research and thought, prayer, and in discussion with conservatives and liberals whose opinions I value. This may be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and ushers me out the door of the Boy Scouts of America. Although I have a fundamental belief that our American youth are not being encultured to value who we are as a country (warts and all), and have sought to take personal action to remedy that through my years of participation in and service to Scouting, I find as those years have gone by, the BSA establishment and I have been on a divergent path.
I do find many kindred spirits at the grass roots level...in the units, which gives me validation and hope. But my usefulness at the "institutional level" seems to be drawing rapidly near its end.
I have made a commitment to serve as Scoutmaster for the next six months. My son just completed his Board of Review for Eagle Scout. My daughter will complete hers in January. The timing is perfect, and almost seems ordained
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4 minutes ago, CynicalScouter said:
You realize you'd immediately be bounced as a MBC, right?
I would never in a million take this merit badge on as a counselor
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This is the video I would share as a MBC:
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Would this be fodder for the presentation requirement in #5, or for #6?
https://www.ohiocrimelaw.com/blog/2014/01/tax-dollars-pay-for-sex-change-for-inmate-really/
reductio ad absurdum
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Here is a National Office Hours video put out recently...
Discusses DE&I requirements and says they are already approved (and that was 12 Nov.)
Scouts may start earning the badge on 01 Jan, required to earn for Eagle on 01 May.
Also notes that there will be no pamphlet, just Notes for the Counselor. (Can't find those yet.)
Also says there will be rank requirements for Scout through First Class. Rank requirements will not be in Scoutbook until 01 May.
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1 minute ago, CynicalScouter said:
I recall that after that BSA National statement came out that the Exploring program had to come out with a "we didn't really mean it" statement or else lose their LEO Explorer posts.
Where was that one? Do you have a link? All we saw was this...
https://scoutingwire.org/bsas-commitment-to-act-against-racial-injustice/
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23 minutes ago, Eagle94-A1 said:
But I soon was replaced because instead of teaching about differences, I was teaching about how we are all the same. I talked about building relationships with those who were not like us through communication. sadly some folks believe if you do not agree 100% with them, you are the enemy, and will treat you like such.
Shame on you for trying to promote peace and harmony based on the commonalities of our human condition! Back to the education camp with you! You may return when you promote tribalism and identity politics veiled in terms like "diversity, " "equity," and "inclusion."
https://medium.com/@samuelkronen/modern-tribalism-and-the-danger-of-identity-politics-33150fd257f2
https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/blog-posts/lie-of-diversity/
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Colleges and universities, judicial system, language, media, family, etc...
This is just part of the long march through the institutions...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_long_march_through_the_institutions
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3 minutes ago, MattR said:
I think a patch showing Jupiter and Saturn crashing into each other would be a real hit.
Clash of the Titans! (Although, they weren't Titans.)
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3 minutes ago, ParkMan said:
@CynicalScouter & @InquisitiveScouter - I think you two need ratchet down the angst a few orders of magnitude here. When I read these requirements, this sounds to like two pretty commonly accepted principles:
- Don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes
- Love Thy Neighbour as Thyself
If the adults can keep their hands off this merit badge and let a youth do as the merit badge says, it's allows the youth to go through a thought exercise in how they relate to others. Are they welcoming of others, how do they treat others, do they unknowingly act in a discriminatory way, are they doing what they can to treat their fellow citizens with respect?
It doesn't matter if your white, brown, black, or purple. It doesn't matter who you love or are attracted to. It doesn't matter what you think of your own gender and sexuality. It's about how you treat each other. It's about how you react to situations where discrimination happens around you. It's about how you react when someone you know tells you they feel discriminated against.
I have every bit of confidence that youth, when put these sorts of questions - can reason them out in a way that is pretty consistent with the Scout oath and law.
This all starts to get messy when the adults show up and start pushing agendas. This is why the adults should leave this in the real of how youth relate to each other just as the requirements describe.
How about this for the new DE&I MB requirements?
1. Don't judge someone until you've walked a mile in their shoes.
2. Love your neighbor as you love yourself.
The End
I could go for that...but I think those are already encapsulated in the Scout Oath and Law.
And the only angst I sense here is yours.
Physician, heal thyself!
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Possible Project ?
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@Greeneagle5,
While the idea for the project itself is a good one, your friend may be cool on the idea for reasons already mentioned, and possibly because of the idea that "...this project could be continued in future years..."
As adult leaders, it is inappropriate for us to commit the unit to any ongoing (or possibly perpetual) projects. Program planning is the purview of the Patrol Leaders Council. And it is for the PLC to decide whether to undertake an ongoing project. (That is most certainly off limits for an Eagle Scout candidate.) I even caution our PLC during annual planning that, if they venture down that road, a future PLC may decide to end a "commitment" they make. That is, a current PLC may not tie the hands of a future PLC.
Over 15 years ago, a long gone PLC (or leader) signed us up for an adopt-a-highway. At the past seven PLC Annual Planning Conferences (we do planning semi-annually, actually) when they review our previous year and come up with a list of their desired activities, I always remind them that they are not committed to any specific activity (like a perceived "Troop tradition").
Me: "You are not obligated to do an Annual Troop Picnic, or the Annual Thanksgiving Turkey Cookout, or the two-times-a-year Adopt-a-Highway clean up. You can pick other activities if you want."
PLC: "Really? We don't HAVE to do those??"
Me: "Nope...don't HAVE to do them. Remember, the Committee can support almost ANYTHING you want to do, but you don't have time to do EVERYTHING you want to do."
There usually follows some discussion of past instances of the "traditional" activities (nostalgia), followed with comparing priorities on their list of "want to's."
PLC: "Well, we voted and decided we still want to do those things again this year."
Me: "I support you 100%, and I'll recommend the Troop Committee to approve."