Mrjeff

Wow, there seems to be a lot of premature judging going on. Again, I am not arguing my credentials or experience but I have spent some time on the ole shooten range. It doesn't matter if it's a Marine Corps range, a law enforcement range, a private range or a Scout Camp range, eventually there will be an accidental discharge, plain and simple. Most aren't as serious as this, but they do happen. I will reserve judgment and blame until I get to hear the rest of the story.

I once went to summer camp where one of our guys finished his 500 word Environmental Science essay. He was given a partial because his essay wasn't "good enough", so I stepped up to bat. When the Ecology Director told me that the paper met the requirement but wasn't good enough for the camp I became more determined to assist this Scout. I spoke to the Camp Director who agreed that if the paper met the requirement the requirement was met. The Ecology Director was not pleased, but he was told to sign the card because I was correct. One small victory for that little guy, but I always give th

I think the whole idea of using grades to determine eligibility is overreach and should never be considered. You may have an academically underachieving young person and the best thing they have going is Scouting. As far as a code of conduct, BOLDERDASH, Scouting has a well established code of conduct, the Scout Law. Throw in the Scout Oath and the Guide to Safe Scouting and you have all you need. Why reinvent the wheel? Just use what is already in place.

Hey all of you minimalist Scouters out there. There is one conciliation for you. After all of us old goats head to the great council fire in the sky, you just won't have to worry about knot wearing too many knots. A whole pile of the little buggers have been retired so unless you have been around a long time, they just ain't available any more🤫

Jeeeeezzzzzzz....................I am not going to discuss my credentials or Scouting position. I will say that in our district and Council the BEBEFIT OF THE DOUBT IS ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF THE SCOUT..................................PERIOD....NUFF SAID........END OF CONVERSATIO ...............it's also understood that the Merit Badge Councilor is the subject matter expert and if that expert says its done, it's done. My two cents🤔

😅🤣😂😆😅🤣😂🤣😅😆😂😂😂Welllllllllllll..........I would never, I say never ever...put stuff on my pants😅🤣😂😅🤣😂😂🤣😅😆🤣😉

Somewhere in my huge pile of Scout stuff I still have my first uniform with red piping around the pockets of the trousers and collar less shirt. I love those old OD uniforms. I hated the change and wore one until it didn't fit. If I could find a xx adult uniform I would still wear one. I have a bunch of newer uniforms but would go retro in a flash. Along with a "General Patten" pattern of knots I also pin on two Eagle Scout Dad pins and one Eagle Scout Grandfather pin. I have obtained a RETIRED strip and after I complete my current tour of duty I'm going to put it on right under my TRAINE

Yea, yea, yea, if thou wouldst adorn thyself with tutu, heals of spikes, speedo, or string bikini proceed without delay! Trouble not yourselves with guides, laws, rules, suggestions or anything that imposes on the right to self expression, comfort or other desire that ye may have in the pursuit of happiness!

Welllllll....if you CAREFULLY read the guide you will also see that once official always official and the flamboyant among us need knot remove knots if the number exceeds the 9 knots. Also the whole guide is n a suggestion and an encouragement without being a thou shall and thou shall knot. Therefore, yea I declare that the insignia guide is truly a guide and not a law! So go ye therefore, ye readers and intrepreters of you sacred guide and adorn yourselves to the extent your heart, conscience and treasure trove may allow. Or, according to the dictates of this sacred parchment, leave them

There are lots of opinions concerning uniforms. At one time the BSA uniform was strictly regulated and required. Does anyone remember the very old Woodbadge uniform requirements and inspections? Gradually it evolved into bieng encouraged and suggested. If one carefully reads the official insignia rules they will find that " once official always official" is the standard. This is particularly important concerning those controversial little colored scraps of clouth, the square knot. Not so long ago there was no limit to the number of square knots that are appropriate. With the latest upda

I started this thread and like I said, if a woman presented herself in a revealing bathing suit people would have been all over it. If a man showed up in a speedo bathing suit there would have been outcry, if white men showed up wearing white robes someone would have called the police, how about a t shirt bearing a swastika 50 people would have voiced their disdain. How about addressing one of these in reference to the ballerina. There were many who saw this that spoke up about it but most are afraid of being offensive. Well, people who saw him were offended and I was one of them. I cha

You have clearly missed the point. Again, if a female scout or scouter wore a string bikini there would be a public outcry but a kid wearing tights showing off his backside and frontside is just fine? Ok, if thats the case DROP THE STANDARD and everyone wears what they want. Let the ladies wear the DasynDukes and halter tops, guys can wear speedo bathing suits, and everything goes. BSA is trying to gain members and those representing the BSA should present a positive first impression. I wonder how many managers, supervisors and executives would turn a blind eye to an employee dressing in

This is starting to go sideways. So, let's be specific, When I started this discussion I was talking about a national event, that is inherently expensive. If someone is attending this type of an event, I'm pretty sure they have a uniform. At this event there was a uniform standard that was established, so, if you are going to pay the fees and attend this event, abide by the standard. Your other choice is to not attend so you are no longer committed to following the rules. This has nothing to do with individual units, consessions, or those who can't afford to purchase uniforms. My good w

So what happens if someone shows up at a BOR wearing swim trunks, flowers shirt, and flip Flops? Do we have the BOR; try to figure out the reason for this attire; send them home to change; or cancel the BOR. Perhaps we try to find out why; well, they are on the way to the beach and just stopped off to have their BOR. We can justify or legitimize anything. Most people shy away from unpleasantness and take the path of least resistance. If we just say it's OK and overlook things I won't make waves. If a standard is established then meet the standard. If the standard is ignored then don'

Is that the attitude that governs human existence or another way to tolerate non compliance. What happened that made you feel that you needed to drive 100mph? What caused you to be so upset that you punched your teacher in the jaw? I understand that you don't like peas and carrots so its ok that you threw your lunch tray at the cafeteria worker. I don't understand why its so hard to follow the rules or deal with the consequences. If the rule is wear the suit then wear the suit otherwise don't make up the rule.

I had the opportunity to mention this to some of the national widget spinners, bolt holders, idea spinners and didn't get much of a response other than a grin. On of these guys used to head up an airline and because of that he knew the answers. Well, as head of an airline I wonder what his reaction would be if one of his pilots walked through the Philadelphia Airport wearing tights and a tutu. He could control that because he ultimately controlled that pilots money. Since Scouting is a volunteer organization he can't control most Scouters money. Either publish and establish a standard th

I would like to cut to the chase. In my opinion if someone joins Scouting, wear the uniform and follow the rules. If you don't like the uniform or don't like the rules don't join Scouting. If a uniform standard is established for an event, follow the standard or don't participate in the event. Common sense and personal pride should dictate ones appearance when representing the Scouts, especially in public. If you want to dress up like a princess go to a comicon and wear what you want. Go to a Scouting event and dress like a Scout. If someone does not dress in a way that casts a positive

More functional, I'm not exactly sure what that means. Ever since the old OD green uniforms there has been a bunch of revisions to style, material, pockets, and there are a lot of choices. The individual was clearly part of the larger group, and the attire received far more then a passing glance. If someone showed up wearing a speedo and a tank top, or a string bathing suit there would have been an outcry. Civil disobedience, what if a member showed up wearing a Hitler Youth uniform, that youth would have been removed. But, the powers don't seem to be interested in maintaining a positive

You can easily find pre owned uniforms that are very inexpensive. What I'm talking about is a situation wherein the uniform standard is published and nearly everyone is representing the Scouts following the standard. But...........when a young man chooses to wear a pair of tights and a ballerina tutu, he becomes an embarrassment for the others within the same organization. I'm quite sure that if he were to show up at most job sites he would be admonished, sent home, and in some cases fired. I'm fine with self expression, but there is a correct time and place. Representing a larger orga

Comfortable? Taped up, banded up, padded up, then put your jersey and pants on, then grab your helmet, not so comfortable. I'm not going to say that I know why scout uniforms are not popular and I agree to an extent. Uniforms and patches are expensive but if someone doesn't present themselves in appropriate dress they shouldn't be permitted to participate. If a uniform standard is required, then apply the standard and be happy. Otherwise, cancel the standards, let everyone "express themselves", and wear what they want. DO NOT ESTABLISH A STANDARD AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY WHEN SOMEONE DRES

If you show up at a soccer game wearing a football uniform you won't be permitted to play. If a young lady shows up at a Scouting event wearing a string bathing suit people would scream to high heavens. If someone shows up in court wearing shorts, flip flops and a tank top they won't be allowed in. But, as far as being a representative of the BSA, everything goes? Appropriate is what it is and inappropriate is what it is. If there is a specified uniform standard then it should be observed by everyone. If you don't want to follow that standard you shouldn't attend.

But, I do remember the Philadelphia Mummers Parade, their costumes were spectacular!

It should have been Mardi gras.........thanks spell check😉

Wow, I remember that if you wanted to purchase a Scout uniform you had to take your BSA ID card to JC Penny. There were clear guidelines which even stated what shoes to wear. Folks were proud to wear their uniform and there was even a designated Scout Week where everyone could wear their uniform to school. Now, it seems that the issue of proper uniform guidelines is dead in the water. Everything is suggested or ignored. Shorts, pants, skirts, kilts, lycra body suits, blue jeans or kaki military trousers. Ball cap, campaign or bush hat, ostrich feathers or rooster tails. How many knot

Wow, I remember that if you wanted to purchase a Scout uniform you had to take your BSA ID card to JC Penny. There were clear guidelines which even stated what shoes to wear. Folks were proud to wear their uniform and there was even a designated Scout Week where everyone could wear their uniform to school. Now, it seems that the issue of proper uniform guidelines is dead in the water. Everything is suggested or ignored. Shorts, pants, skirts, kilts, lycra body suits, blue jeans or kaki military trousers. Ball cap, campaign or bush hat, ostrich feathers or rooster tails. How many knot