OldGreyEagle

There is also the possibility that the youth do not adequately tuck in their uniform shirt and allow it to blouse over the top of their pants, perhaps tucking it in as one should woudl alleviate the shirt pulling out. Way back at the 2001 Jamboree one of the singing groups the kids loved were the Parachuters, members of the Golden Knights I think who also sang They thought those guys looked cool. I said wow, they all wear the same uniform, they wear thier shirts tucked in and boots shined, does that mean you guys will do the same? I think they did, for 2 hours, the spirit was willing but the flesh weak

I may get tired of typing it and you may get tired of reading it, but why are we in Iraq in the first place? Because Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in 1991 and didnt beleive the wolrd would do anything about it. Number 41 did something about it and forced Irag out of Kuwait. Then Saddam signed a Peace Treaty. One which he didnt honor and after 17 (?) UN resolutions saying Saddam should honor his own promises GW (and not our favorite poster) took matters in his own hands. Should we have invaded Iraq? I dont know, if we hadnt and 2 years ago or 2 years hence when sarin gas is released in a New York subway people would hunt GW down and demand to know why he didnt do anything. Thats the problem with watershed moments, once done you cant go back Those WMD? we knew he had then because WE gave them to him when he was fighting the Iranians

"Offering a few emergency provisions to replace forgotten items (instant cameras, shaving cream, razor, toothbrush & toothpaste, moleskin, etc.) is helpful, if not otherwise available from the health lodge." You mean for the adults, right? if I had a scout come running up to me on Sunday all excited because he forgot his toothbrush the camp better have an A.E.D. on hand because I would be needing it

"Offering a few emergency provisions to replace forgotten items (instant cameras, shaving cream, razor, toothbrush & toothpaste, moleskin, etc.) is helpful, if not otherwise available from the health lodge." You mean for the adults, right? if I had a scout come running up to me on Sunday all excited because he forgot his toothbrush the camp better have an A.E.D. on hand because I would be needing it

On the other hand, if the young adult wants to be in on the Executive level, waiting a few months until he is 21 and starting his campaign now to get on the Board may not be such a bad idea. Rather than have us tell him what would likeley happen, perhaps it best to let him have the experience himself. So, svendzoid work hard at letting the Council know your skills and abilities. If the deep pockets issue becomes an issue, well, you are a scout, perhaps you will find a better way to handle it than I did. Good Luck wherever scouting takes you, or you take scouting

Beavah I have a question that may relate to one of your favorite topics, Liability. Work with me here. You have a 17 1/2 year old Eagle Scout, on a rather innocous campout you find him smoking pot. You question him and the scouts found with him and you find he only uses pot occasionally. You call his parents to come and get him. The Troop Committee holds a special meeting and decides he will not be able to attend any more campouts as a scout and he may apply to be an asst scoutmaster when he is 19. This amounts to a 20 month suspension. Feeling all is well and the matter resolved, the troop moves on. Three weeks later the boy has a major vehicle accident. He was driving stoned and hit another car killing three people. He himself becomes a paraplegic. In the course of the accident investigation it is learned he was driving "under the influence". The incident on the campout is also discovered. To the police and associated insurance companies, it appears the incident was swept under the rug. Now there are three deaths and a paraplegic patient. What could happen? Yes, I am going after the worst possible scenario, but even then, what happens?

My experience with being on the Executuve Committee was very similar to Eagle90. In January it was FOS, all members expected to participate at the Board level as well as the unit level (if you were a member of a unit) then in March it was a Capital Campaign that all members were expected to participate in as many Foundations require 100% participation by an organizations board before they consider a donation May was United Way time, and again, as a member, it was expected that everyone give as in our area the United Way still supports Boy Scouts. I had to drop membership, I was asked why and when I said I couldnt afford it, I was told that sometimes that happened and it didnt make me less of a scouter, although it did make me an Ex-member of the Committee

It has just recently been that I have discovered how churches other than the Cathoic Church operate. The Church that chaters the Troop recently was looking for a new pastor, the old one was kicked upstairs in the organization. The Church put together a Search Committee, poured over resumes and voted on who they would interview and "hire" as a pastor. The COR, a friend of mine told me they wanted to get a good fit between the pastor and the church. I was aghast, in the catholic church you get who the bishop sends and thank him very much. It never occurred to me to find a pastor, or a church that fit my own philosophies, I see religion and churches mission to shape moral philosophies. I think its safe to say all Christians use the bible as the foundation, so if we use the same rule book, how different can the philosophies be? The Ten Commandments are the ten commandments and the two greatest commandments are the same. To change churches to find a more pleasing philosophy has got to the definition of moral relativism Then again, as a roman catholic of 55 years, what else would you expect me to say?

So Wright is right?

Each Council has its own protocal, as far as I understand, read this http://www.scouting.org/Media/FactSheets/02-521.aspx?print=1 then have it, keep birddogging the process

Funny you should mention cars though. The first car I ever "owned" was a 1963 Belair, It had a door stop in the driver side window to keep it from falling down as the car had been in an accident, (previous owner, not me) and the frame was twisted and the window works removed. Because of the twisted frame, the drivers side door would not open. The girls thought I was such a gentleman, I would open the door for them, then I would jump in, cost me a few points on the "smooth o meter". My next car was a 1967 Chevy II, with a three speed manual transmision on the column. Then came the "best" car, a 1959 Studebaker Silver Hawk. Still had a manual 3 speed transmission, but it had gauges and not idiot lights and the hood was supported by a quarter inch steel rod. I used to wonder what would have happened if I ever broadsided a Vega, I think it would have cut it in two. Lantern lamps mounted on a real chrome bumper and high fins in the back, that takes me back. Of course it burned more oil that gas so I had to get rid of it(This message has been edited by oldgreyeagle)

I saw the article in the newspaper that Curtis Sliwa was producing more Guardian Angels for a nearby town and my heart covulsed as I thought how he destroyed the red beret. Guradian Angels wore a red beret so people could identify them and they were way to close to the BSA red beret. I couldnt and still cant beleive this guy in making a career out of Vigilanteeism especially after Bernard Goetz. Maybe Paul Kersey had a point. The Troop of my youth had a Gung Ho Patrol. It was comprised of guys who took scouting seriously, especially Camporees. Membership was limited, you had to have an "expert" level of knowledge in a scout skills and be proficient in two others and then be let in by the other members. We were the only members of the Troop "allowed" to wear the Red Beret's as it distinguished us as "elite". To me the Red Beret reminds me of being a member of a high performance team long before that term was coined. A team whose members were respected and admired and that was the first time for me While I would love to own a '68 vette. I dont, neither do I or have I owned any year vette (why do you ask?) The formation of the Gung Ho patrol was something the Scoutmaster came up with after a few near altercations between Patrol members during and after Camporees. Seems like a some scouts didnt really feed off the competitive nature of the events and others did. The scoutmaster put the guys who really into it into the Gung Ho patrol and told them to run themselves. And they did. I got in because I knew morse code and fire building and knots. I am not sure it was the model for Patrol Organization in the late '60s early '70s but it worked for us. (now, where I have I heard that before?) The red berets always spark controversey as this thread has shown, some loved them, some hated but they did elicit some reaction.

Stosh, I don't know where you got that conclusion, its not what is taught in the Lehigh Valley but it may be what is done in your area. I always thought the BSA taught4 leadership styles, Directing, Coaching, Delegating and Supporting. I think I have those correct. I dont see how the concept of Servant Leadership works in with what you are saying

Ah, the conspiracy theorists are work. Let's see the reason that gas is high is because we have Bush and Cheney in the administration. Let's not talk about how long it's been since a US refinery was built and brought on line. You know, refineries, the things that actually produce gas? When was the last time any sort of supply was developed in the US? Prices are set by supply and demand, why else would big trucks and RV vehicles present such attractive prices right now compared to a year ago? As India and China grow and they develop a middle class that use internal combustion engines, the demand for petroleum products will go up and the price as well. Yeah, lets Nationalize the oil industry. What industry has the US govenment every "done" that was done well. The Post Office? Thats why UPS, Fed Ex, DHL, etc exist, because the goverment can't perform up to the needs of industry. Anybody remember Amtrak? Is it still in existence? The Nationlized railway system? What is it's track record (get it track record?) Medicare, Medicaid? Anybody wanna system like that? You want to see what nationalized healthcare would look like? Anybody here familiar with the VA system? Anybody want to have that be the standard for health care? I am surprised no one has brough up the myth of the 60-70-80 miles per gallom carburetor, you know, the one that GM developed but were being paid by the oil compnaies to keep off the market? How long before that comes up again?

I ma be showing my age, but does anyone do "chat rooms" anymore?

my first inclination is to ask if the drugs and associated equipment was for the youth or the caretakers of the youth, either way the reason why you signed up is because you beleive you will make a difference in a youth's life and today you are

I would think long and hard about starting a Venturing Crew from a Boy Scout Troop that needs its youth leaders attention. There is not much boys in a Boy Scout troop can't do that a Venturing Crew can do and I say that as a Venturing leader of 8 years. Once you take away pistol shooting and hunting, I am not sure there are many more things being a Venturer can do that a Boy Scout cannot. It sounds like your troop needs help and starting an organizatin that will require time from your youth leaders away from it sounds counter productive. I do not want to discourage you from forming a Venturing Crew, but I do want to see a Crew formed for the correct reason.

Velcome to the Forum Boris MrBig

Why not have the scouts select the patrol they want to be in for Summer Camp and then make them the "permanent" patrols? They will have the camp session to gel as a patrol in a way they can't be done any other time

If you want to quit scouts, then quit, you don't need a philosophical argument concocted by internet nabobs. You said your parents have an expectation that you stay in scouts and that they are raising you without religion. Explain to them to be in the BSA you are required to beleive in a higher power and you don't. If they havent taught you about a higher power, why would they be upset if you rejected one? If you beleive a person should be able to beleive what they want, why worry about building a case, the answer is I don't want to be a scout. As far as how intolerant the BSA is about the groups you mentioned, do you mean the professionals in Irving, the National Committee or the rank and file members? You are a member of a single unit in a nation wide organization. Very few of us here have contact with more than 30 units, I am not sure we can give you a picture of the personality of the BSA. I know that I would have a hard time understanding a 14 year old who claimed to be bisexual. Then again, since I am not a trained counselor or psychologist or anything close, I can't say much other than a scout is all the things in the scout law and asexual unless married so whether a scout is straight, gay, or bi is of no relevance. You have a decision to make, or rather you appear to have made a decision already, I dont see how internet responses should effect such a private decision (This message has been edited by oldgreyeagle)

Perhaps it is adults who allow a mundane camping trip to occur are the ones who should stay home

" Makes mundane tasks less mundane!" I understand completely, I don't have an Ipod myself, but I understand how listening to music you love would help pass the time when doing something totally boring. BTW, do you think that scouts who find camping mundane should be allowed to use Ipods?

Sung to the tune of "As the cassions go rolling along" Over hill, over dale As we hit the scouting trail and the Cub Scouts keep rolling along In and out Hear them shout Gee, I'm glad to be a scout and the Cub Scouts keep rolling along For its Hi-Hi-Hee Pack (insert number here) is for me Shout out those numbers loud and strong (Pack shouts the number) And wherever you go You will always know that the Cub Scouts keep rolling along Keep 'em rolling and the Cub Scouts keep rolling along... (repeat till insanity sets in, then why stop there? )

welcome to the forum and I hope you someday find a man who fulfills your search criteria, and in sccouting, that shouldnt be too hard, should it?

Both Camps the Council I serve have the older style canvas tents on a half inch water pipe skeleton set on wood platforms. works great.