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  1. I'd like to second Trail finders suggestions.Make sure you have crew bylaws in place.State clearly what expectations you have for members and what the joining process is.It's good to have these things clearly defined and agreed on by the membership.Group chemistry is very important with a group of this size and you should have the tools to give you some control of it. It is true that the program is for the youth but it is the Adult leadership's responsability to insure that the "Guide to safe scouting" is followed.The situation you stated sends up red flags of potential youth protection iss
  2. Wow! I had no idea you faced such a logistical problem.I was thinking you just had the normal need for adult leadership.You need some very special driven people. We are so spoiled in our council,with a Seabase on the Columbia near where the Willamette joins up.It's closer to the main population center than any of our summer camps.
  3. Eamonn Have you made contact with adults connected with these new recruits?Adult leaders from the troops and parents.With 40 youth prospects there should be a few good adult prospects who might catch the Sea Scouting bug.Sounds like you have some good salesmen for the program.Direct them in direction of the adults as well. Hang in there.Sounds to me like you've done an awesome job of starting what could become far more than you ever dreamed.New ships may come out of this but this need not be your job.You can train the leaders who will take this dream to next level. I'm sorry to hear t
  4. Oops! I used candidates instead of new members in above post.
  5. At our ordeal's we always have a chapter orientation meeting,we will have members of our ceremonies team in regalia at this meeting to pump new candidates up.We also circulate an interest survey to new members and have them filled out and returned on the spot.This helps us know who to target with calls for specific jobs. often times our teams are running a ceremony multiple times,so we will invite the new candidates to stay as observers for the next ceremony.They get to see the team in the relaxed time and experiance the comraderie that a good team developes and watch them move into t
  6. Yes definitely.Though many people try to seperate Venturing from Boy Scouts, a Venturer is still a member of the BSA.If an adult were to have been elected into OA as a youth and became registered as a leader in Cub Scouts or Ventureing he could be an active OA member,as long as he's registered in a scouting unit that is part of the overall BSA program. Sorry Eamonn that I don't know of a publication to point you to,but as a Chapter Advisor for the past six years,I have seen this accepted by the Lodge,have seen a Venture leader selected for Vigil and that has to go through National.So all th
  7. We do call out at our Spring camporee.We are encouraged to let candidates know as soon as they are elected to give time to plan going to ordeal our first ordeal is 2 weeks after camporee.Still we leave it up to troops since it's tradition in some troops to let it be a surprise when they are called off to ceremony site for callout.We make sure parents know though so they can work it in to schedule and try to insure that candidates make it to callout. We take care of paperwork as soon as election is done and get it turned in to lodge well before call out.This definitely has to take place no m
  8. Dang,got to quit double clicking
  9. Call out is not a required event.It's simply a ceremonial way of informing new candidates.It's neat to have a ceremony that recognises them and encourages them to attend the required Ordeal within next calendar year.It's not something they have to go through.There are no requirements on this. There has been talk of National,putting out a standardised ceremony since there are as many or more call out ceremonies as there are chapters. The thought is by standadiseing it,we can be insured that the ceremony is conistant with OA traditions. Sorry off the point.Your troop doing callout becau
  10. Call out is not a required event.It's simply a ceremonial way of informing new candidates.It's neat to have a ceremony that recognises them and encourages them to attend the required Ordeal within next calendar year.It's not something they have to go through.There are no requirements on this. There has been talk of National,putting out a standardised ceremony since there are as many or more call out ceremonies as there are chapters. The thought is by standadiseing it,we can be insured that the ceremony is conistant with OA traditions. Sorry off the point.Your troop doing callout becau
  11. Lynda J, that would be awesome,that special personal touch is something lost to my chapter we had 145 candidates to call out at camporee and got complaints about it takeing too long when the names were read off as fast as possible.We only have tap out for Vigil.
  12. John-in-KC True God is mentioned but not in a way that would represent any specific dogmatic system.It's very open,and like I said scout oath and law is the base and reverent is part of that.mmhardy was right on, when the proper atmosphere of solemnity is acheived you will find a religous experiance on your own terms.I've had the honor of observing all 4 ceremonies from preordeal to Vigil over a 60hr.period and yes God is spoken of but is not defined.
  13. John-in-KC True God is mentioned but not in a way that would represent any specific dogmatic system.It's very open,and like I said scout oath and law is the base and reverent is part of that.mmhardy was right on, when the proper atmosphere of solemnity is acheived you will find a religous experiance on your own terms.I've had the honor of observing all 4 ceremonies from preordeal to Vigil over a 60hr.period and yes God is spoken of but is not defined.
  14. The OA is scouting,even the ceremonies are scouting.Nothing that violates any scout rules or the scout law and oath takes place in the OA.The OA strives to exemplify these principles.So no blood letting.If a parent was concerned about their son going through a ceremony,the ceremony will not be kept secret from them.Our desire to preserve the mystery is superceeded by this concern the parent has for their son's safety.
  15. ok let's get to the basics here. if you get any type of a religous impression,from an OA ceremony it was totally of your making. The OA is very carefull not to include any native american or any other religous elements in their ceremonies.There are no deities represented.There are human Principles who personify aspects of leadership and service.There is a deep respect for the out doors and nature but no worship. The OA ceremonies are tottally built on the scout law and oath and the most admirable qualities of being a good scout. Please educate your self before you bring the OA into y
  16. sst3rd, On another point.Your lodge's pressure to be more restrictive,probably would not be something that National would be real enthused about.The focus has been put on numbers in the proffesional ranks. This is something that I've had philosphical problems with for a while.I've become concerned that the OA has become less special with the more liberal selection process.I've finnally come to terms with the fact that there will be a lot more people wearing flaps than there will be active members. In fairness there are boys who would not of passed a stringent aproval process who h
  17. sst3rd, It is up to you to choose who you feel shows scout spirit and has the potential and desire to fullfill their duties as scouts and arrowmen.I'm the chapter advisor for a chapter that elected 145 candidates this year and so far we've had 55 inducted.We have one more ordeal coming in October with 377 uninducted candidates in the lodge. We've put so much emphasis on makeing sure that units are aware that they can select all eligable scouts,that most troops elect all eligable members. Consequently our numbers are inflated. I'm trying to get scoutmasters to be a little more
  18. sst3rd, It is up to you to choose who you feel shows scout spirit and has the potential and desire to fullfill their duties as scouts and arrowmen.I'm the chapter advisor for a chapter that elected 145 candidates this year and so far we've had 55 inducted.We have one more ordeal coming in October with 377 uninducted candidates in the lodge. We've put so much emphasis on makeing sure that units are aware that they can select all eligable scouts,that most troops elect all eligable members. Consequently our numbers are inflated. I'm trying to get scoutmasters to be a little more
  19. I think some people have missed the original reasoning for uniforms.It had little to do with forming super citizen or the military. The concept was to dissolve barriers, a rich upper class boy would be indistinquishable from the poorer working class boy. I don't know if it's that relevent for most units today and I doubt that there are a lot of people who now see it that way. I'm not a fanatic about uniforming but I do think it's usefull in giving some sense of belonging to the scouting family.
  20. I may have the ratio wrong.I had the wrong number in my head for our quota.We only selected 26 last year becuse their were only 13 youth nominated.Just asked my son (who is selection committee chair this year) he said we get around 40.Our membership is around 2000.So 1 for 50 sounds right.
  21. Whoops,wasn't quick enough to edit.I should have said no more adults than youth.
  22. Any scout or scouter can submit a nomination form in our lodge. The nominators do not need to be members.These nominees are reviewed by the Vigil selection commitee.Each chapter is allowed a youth vote and each lodge officer has a vote.We do not allow eligable members(those who have held Brotherhood honor for 2yrs. or longer)to be involved in the selection.So the make up is Vigil members and ordeal members or new Brotherhood members.Chapter chiefs are the primary members,if they can not attend they apoint a proxy. Advisors are invited and are allowed to speak in support or against nominee
  23. Adrianvs Yea,It's part of my Vigil name Quilawelensitchewagan Wojauwe loosly translated as distressed Leader.This was the result of The first chapter chief I was advisor for and the second(my son)conspireing to find the longest name that would fit on name tag.Was a name I was not real pleased with it at first,but after they explained ,I was much better with it.sometimes it's hard to find translations that fit what you're trying to say.They were also constrained by their overwhelming desire to tag me with something that's pronounciation would insure that I be distressed. The fact tha
  24. OK, I've pasted the latest reply from signals website creator,Rick. BW he's added the stalking signals to web site.So far 1948 is the earliest mention of Scout sign for silence. Concerning the usage in other countries.isn't Eammon from England?He may be able to give insight on that. "I added Beard's gesture signals, See: http://www.inquiry.net/outdoor/skills/beard/gesture_signals.htm Note that Beard does not (in 1918) use the Scout Sign to indicate silence or attention. My 1945 BSA Handbook does not mention it either, but it does in 1948 (5th Edition): under
  25. http://www.oa-442.org/cgi-bin/442/index.cgi?page=downloads#CAP This is the download page for our lodge's programs and forms. One of these is the CAP book (Chapter Assistance Program)This was started 3 years ago and is an on going program.This year at our section Conclave the first class will be on every ones schedule,chapters will take class as group.It's an extension of the Lodge assistance program which is section level workshop aimed at helping Lodges develope healthy program. We will outline CAP and try to get chapters engaged in useing it and adding to it.The idea is that it sh
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