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  1. Proud of our ceremonies team

    We've had troops in our chapter and lodge that long since had their own ceremony teams. They also performed AOL ceremonies for their associated pack. They wore their sashes of course, but did not coordinate with the lodge or chapter. There sole purpose was to serve their own troop and associated pack with their own call-out and aol ceremonies. "Who" is going to STOP them, well, obviously no one. No one has stopped them before, and when the national oa makes the decision to not have chapter ceremony teams, I'm assuming that the national, lodge, and chapter oa folks will not do anything to shut these renegade ceremony teams done. Everyone wins. Legit chapter teams become history, and the renegade teams get to keep on performing. After several e-mails with our lodge advisor, he verified to me the decision has been made by national oa, but executing the change simply hasn't happened yet. He said if we wanted to keep going with a chapter team, feel free, but it will go away soon. Be ready. Call-outs will be done in uniforms even at summer camps, and aol ceremonies simply go away. Lodge oa ceremonies will remain the same at service weekends (used to be called Ordeal Weekends). That's all folks,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, sst3rd
  2. Proud of our ceremonies team

    The latest I've gotten from my chapter advisor and lodge advisor is, that all chapter ceremony committees will cease using regalia now. My chapter advisor attended an LEC meeting last Sunday where it was reaffirmed, HOWEVER, it was on hold waiting for clearer instructions from national OA. In the mean time, we can perform no call-outs, but can perform Arrow of Light and Pack graduation ceremonies in scout uniforms only, NO REGALIA. Again, has any other chapter ceremony team advisor received this instructions from their LEC? Just asking. Take care, sst3rd
  3. Dealing with Helicopter Parents

    Eagle94-A1, You're not needed at your current babysitting program. You know they won't change, EVER. You're needed at that smaller unit. Take all of the older scouts with you. You'll start having fun again, and the Scoutmaster at the smaller unit will be blessed by your help, experience, and fellowship. Don't look back. sst3rd
  4. Proud of our ceremonies team

    Folks, As the former chapter ceremony committee advisor, our lodge has decommisioned all 9 of our chapter ceremony teams. Since I was never in the clique, I never saw documentation from the national oa concerning this edict. Our lodge informed the LEC that this was to be executed immediately. And so it was done, and I resigned. I enjoyed teaching the chapter ceremony team. That's over and I wish not to do anything else. All of our ceremony stuff no longer exists. Our lodge's ceremony committee is desperately trying to force the chapters to send our former ceremony team members their way. None wish to go. The lodge ceremony team has a reputation for being a bunch of bullies. That's why they have so few members. Oh well, you get what you pay for. My BSA responsibility now is to support a new SM with a local troop that's trying to reorganize. She's taken all of her training, and I'm assisting her with applying her training in the real world. She'll do great and I'll be done by the end of the year. I will always have my memories, sst3rd
  5. When To Not Be Calm?

    ItsBrian, Assuming these were your scouts, yes they should have been with you and the other scouts working on the catapult. Yes, they represent your/their troop. Sounds like you said what needed to be said. Your "simple" way was received by these wayward scouts as threatening, and they obviously told their parents who went and told the troop adult leaders, who evidently were the folks that told you to "be calm, and relax." Yeah right, when was the last time they were SPL and leading. They should be supporting you. Where was the PL? So, my many years as a SM tell me you did it right. Continue to be confident in your leadership, and don't second guess yourself. sst3rd
  6. Proud of our ceremonies team

    At our chapter meeting last night, the ceremony committee/team was getting ready to practice for the upcoming camporee call-out. I am/was the advisor. Our chapter advisor told me I may want to hold off as he had attended the lodge/chapter advisor's (lec) meeting over the weekend (at our annual fall service weekend), and was told that national oa had made the decision to change the call-out tradition (as everyone does something a bit different) no longer using the Native American theme. The implementation will be soon, but the decision has been made. As far as I know, this only affects the non official but traditional call-out ceremonies that chapters have done since the beginning of time, but not the pre-ordeal, ordeal, brotherhood, and vigil ceremonies. And since I advised the chapter ceremony team, it affected us. We're no longer needed. One other motive was mentioned, and that was that our long suffering lodge ceremony team has been trying to force all chapter ceremony teams to merge with them, as their once proud team has dwindled down to just a few scouts. And since our chapter team no longer exists (we disbanded last night), I'm guessing our lodge ceremony team can take care of the 20 or so annual AOL ceremony requests we usually get. Our chapter advisor also mentioned that, what used to be the call-out, will now be a simple announcement program using a required script from the national oa, so every chapter does it the same way. sst3rd
  7. Proud of our ceremonies team

    I was informed tonight at our chapter meeting, that the national OA has made a decision to remove all native american themes from all call-out ceremonies. So, no matter your chapter's traditions for call-out ceremonies, they will cease. We all know that so called "call-out/tap-out" ceremonies were never "official." Right??????? Call-Out ceremonies will be renamed to something generic, and will be a simple induction program. There will be the use of a required national script so all programs are the same nationally, so as not to offend anyone. BSA uniforms will be the only attire. What if I'm offended? Oh well, nothing to see here. Move along. This saturday, I will have the biggest bonfire legally allowed on my proprerty, and will give back to the sky, over 35 years of ceremonial outfits and props (I was an assistant advisor and then became the advisor) . I'm so sorry for my over 35 years of offending everyone. sst3rd p.s. I'm dun.
  8. Starting a New Troop

    hemispheres, One thing I'll say about how "not" to start a new troop: don't become inactive during the summer. Continue to meet every week. A small local troop I helped resurrect several years ago, got all new adult leaders this past winter, as well as 10 AOL graduates. I got things going for the COR (a friend of mine) with a defined time limit. All was well and this past winter these new leaders showed up from the Pack. All very enthusiastic. My COR friend said they got their training, and there was an Eagle Scout among them. The new SM was retired military and knew everything about scouts, etc.. And she was going to ride herd on them. I was to turn over the troop's camping equipment when they were ready for their first camping trip (which I encouraged to be as soon as possible). Summer is almost gone. I've attended a few meetings to move gear to them. No camping trips lined up yet. They've spent the summer piggy backing on the Cub Scout meetings which happen just before the troop's meetings. The SM would still be working with the Cubs (he's the CM, I don't know why) well into the troop's meetings. His leaders have not been trained to execute their program, etc.. All I can do is stand by. My COR and now troop CC friend, thinks everything is great! In June, they decided to go to a modified meeting schedule for the summer. They decided to meet the second and fourth Monday of each month. I told them it was a bad idea, but the Cubs were going to that meeting schedule, and since there were a lot of brothers and parents with boys in both units...........................................it made sense to them. Now August, the next meeting will have been three weeks from the last meeting in July. This is a deal breaker for me. They might as well start completely over, as the scouts have completely forgotten about boy scout meetings??????? When?????? I don't want to go, I'm bored. I feel much better now. Thank you. sst3rd
  9. tharrell12976, Sounds like this has been the culture of this troop for a while. SM is a dictator and bully, and the troop committee is okay with that. They don't want confrontation, so they do nothing. All of the previously suggested procedures are fine, but your two scouts should not have to wait forever for the resolution. Find that other troop. Get involved improving that program. Your two scouts can help jump start this slower program. Other scouts and their families may follow you, but this change is for your two sons. Any SM worth his salt would welcome the help and support. The new SM can help get all advancement from the old troop. I've done that many times. The old troop can't hold back advancement. Change troops now. Don't look back. Life's too short. Your sons are watching. Make it happen. Again, you probably won't be alone. sst3rd
  10. Outside Magazine: Boy Scouts Should Allow Girls

    AltadenaCraig, I can only speak for myself concerning your thoughts. I'm old and old fashioned. My observations over just the last 10 years let's say concerning our Roundtables for Cubs and Boy Scouts; I've seen approximately half of those participating were old folks who love scouting, but whose sons have long gone on to their future. We're still enthusiastic about our program, but can't seem to get younger parents to step in. We keep it going because we believe in the program. If your scout troop has an exciting and patrol organized program (after 44 years as a SM), your scouts will shout from the roof tops the fun they're having. Your program grows. How national BSA changes things can still be managed on the troop level. Call it the traditional program or what have you. Patrols, patrols, patrols. The program belongs to the scouts. Your statement about option #2 isn't surprising. You were having a discussion about adding girls. You gave them options. They picked one. Adding girls will change the dynamics. Period. I think a majority of the reasons pro and con have been discussed. Keep THIS organization for the boys. sst3rd
  11. Outside Magazine: Boy Scouts Should Allow Girls

    We've always attended mountain camps with cold clear lake water. Yep, go take a swim is the same as a shower. Or maybe a canoe class and accidently fall in. Yep, that counts too. I've learned something new about bacteria and body oil. Go figure. On topic: For all the reasons having been listed, I still want BSA to remain boys only. If it goes co-ed, me and hundreds of volunteers in my area will be gone. That's a fact jack.
  12. Camporee Memories

    At the peak of our district's camporees, I remember as a new SM, seeing troops camped out on both sides of the main dirt road from one end of the camp to the other. Specifically, I remember friday night setting up camp, and then the adult leaders would venture from campsite to campsite (asking permission to enter before hand of course) seeing old friends and sharing cups of coffee. Friday night also allowed the scouts to roam to different troop sites to visit friends, and often hear somebody say "I didn't know you were a scout". Maybe you didn't advertise you were a scout, but to see your friends from school involved was cool. Yeah, this was the 60's and 70's. We have poorly planned and attended camporees now, and I don't hear the excitement in the scout's voices anymore. I guess if your troop runs a great program, camporees don't really matter anymore. Personally, a well planned and exciting camporee has its place even today. sst3rd
  13. Female Sibling on Campout?

    askyourspl, I've been around the BSA for a long time. If they had to create and keep updated documentation about everything we can't do in our troops, we'd run out of paper (yes, I'm that old). A Boy Scout troop is comprised of members that are boy scouts. There are also trained adult leaders. I guess you also have to count parents that aren't registered that are allowed to attend BSA activities. But this troop program is for the boy scouts. Not non registered hangers on girls. She needs to stay home, and the longer this is allowed to happern, the harder it's going to be to fix. All the reasons you've mention in which this girl's presence messes things up are real. You may lose this ASM and his son, but the point needs to be made. Good luck, sst3rd
  14. Trail Life

    Just something that struck me personally. I just received a notification from my lodge that a dear friend and mentor of mine had passed away. Our lodge has a great administrator that stays on top of everything. Anyway, this note also included a copy of his obituary. It mentions the normal stuff, and then notes his over 40 years in the BSA. It also mentions that he recently started a Trail Life troop at his church (as I guess they got rid of the long standing BSA troop). And of course at the end of the obituary it asks that in lieu of flowers, to please make a donation to the Trail Life troop at his church. I had been on many committees and training staffs with Bill. An outstanding Scouter and gentleman, but most importantly to me, a friend. Lots of great memories. So, it just came across a bit weird. But that's just me. Just an observation. sst3rd
  15. Push for Coed Scouting

    All of this makes for interesting reading. I truly respect everyone's views. For me, if BSA can remain for just boys as members until after I die, that would be great. If it changes before then, I'll resign. After 38 years as a SM (for three different troops including my home troop), I've had a great and challenging trip. I've spent the last three years doing maintenance at a very special council camp with a bunch of mostly retired unit leaders. We are a very dedicated group of folks. Our fellowship is strong for the Boy Scouts. I hope to keep "working" out there for many years to come. I really don't know if my friends would leave the BSA if this change occurs. It just wouldn't be the same. I don't mind the occasional tweak, but some things don't have to change. sst3rd
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