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"It depends".... I was a Cubmaster, and then a ASM when Scoutson aged up. As an "alumnus" of the Troop (earned my Stegasaurus Husbandry Merit Badge), the Troop very graciously pays all my fees. I went to take Woodbadge. Some of my tickets concerned Cub Scouts, but I was told my tickets had to deal with my "current" registration, BOY Scouts.... What to do? ummmm. AHA ! (they said) you can be a Commissioner, they can deal with any part of BSA stuff !. Wonderful. What's a Commissioner? I had never heard or seen or met one.... Paperwork... PRESTO ! I was a Unit Commissioner for my home Troop. And so it goes... "The work is done by whoever shows up". Committee? Boards of Review? Our dedicated Troop CCh asks and often needs folks to fill in. So long as they are a registered Scout adult/ parent, and not the Scout in question's parent, and never the SM, the BoR will happen, and the Committee meeting will happen.
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Thoughtful Eagle Project with a nice ring
SSScout replied to RememberSchiff's topic in Open Discussion - Program
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https://nationaltoday.com/world-scout-scarf-day/ World Scout Scarf Day, celebrated on August 1, honors scouts across the world by encouraging them to step out of the house with their scouts scarf on! But why wear a scarf, you ask? Because a scout’s scarf brings the spirit of scouting into the limelight and also sheds light on the basic everyday life hacks that scouts are taught. For instance, the scarf around the neck is used to protect the body from sunburn and can also be used as a band-aid in situations where a first aid kit is unavailable. Hence, over time, the scouts’ scarf has become a symbol of strength and courage. If you have been holding onto your scouts’ neckerchief, now is the time to sport it! https://www.facebook.com/Scout.Scarf.Day/
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Somewhere, in somebody's attic or basement crawlspace, is piece of Redwood that the Eagle Patrol of Troop 759 carved for a Patrol Campsite gateway. 13, 14 year old kids using chisels and hammers. We didn't have a Patrol flag, but for this weeklong Troop sponsored summer camp, it was us. Somebody's dad had this scrap of Redwood from a project , and we used it. We might have had a flag, someone's mom helped make, hem, paint on the cloth, but I don't remember that. The carving I remember. Patrol cooking. For that summer weeklong the Troop parents decided, since somebody had this property (it is now part religious retreat center and part county park and part subdivision) , they decided it would be fun for the Troop to build a small cabin for "headquarters" and Quartermaster , they found a natural spring that was capped and tested safe, and so we created a campground. Patrol campsites were created and so we learned Scoutcraft. Yes, we created campfire sites and cooked for our meals. We cooked or went hungry. Patrol cooking? As we went on with our Scout careers, sometimes kids couldn't come, that was alright. Two of us made a Patrol. You didn't combine unless there was only one (Moose, Beaver and Eagles?) But it was certainly not enforced. You want to cook alone? No problem. You can share our stove or fire. The parents/dads made sure we were safe, but it was up to us to cook and eat. And a Scout that didn't help or "cooperate" in the chores might not eat, the other Scouts enforced that, it got back to the parents and sometimes that Scout didn't come back (hello Randy?). It can only need one active engaged Scout to sparkplug a Patrol. Make that your "gang". Kids need neighborhood "gangs". The only decision is what kind, to what end? See you on the trail.....
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I am not as active as I once was (or would like to be) but in my time as a Scout (dim past) and adult Scouter (blurry present) I must say my observation here would be that the Scout is not so concerned with numbers, but with using the hatchet he/she was given for their birthday, seeing if that new way of tieing boot laces works or really canoeing that last mile (when the planned take out was closed and 5 extra miles of paddling had to be passed). All Scouting is local. Even the National Jamboree and Philmont and Seabase are local. The "locality" must be supported and encouraged by the National org, but the DOING cannot be anything else but local. This is what I sometimes think that National might forget. I have a 1952 edition of the Scout Fieldbook. Greenbar Bill was the editor. In it is a photo essay about knife and axe use, with some photos of a perhaps 14 or 15 year old Scout using (safely!) an axe. I found myself , as an adult, looking this over and realizing not everyone of the umpteen thousand Scout would ever have the opportunity to chop down a 12 inch in diameter tree., but there it is, in black and white, a Scout doing just that. There's an ideal. That Scout is somebody's (I hope) grandfather, perhaps Great grandfather. Local. What opportunities can we LOCALLY give our kids? The world is LOCAL, and PHYSICAL. The world is not on that 3inch by 4 inch battery driven screen. This is what National forgets. You want numbers? How do we LOCALLY get that canoe paddle or axe handle into the hands of that 12 year old?
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Not sure how to add this as a "file" , but here goes..... “…to do my duty to God…” 29 April, 2011 Blue Ridge Center , WVA ** Opening/Welcome **BSA Promise and Law: Universal? **Scouting as a religion? Or religious organization? ”Declaration of Religious Principle” **B-P’s Quotes: the origin, the result… **Us or Them? WHY “Scout’s Own”? ** INclusive or INsulting? Choices::: Nada, Particular, Sort of (with understanding but mushy), Spiritually Suggestive HOW? ** Setting : Apart, special, **Parts: Gathering, Middle (Reminders & Suggestions), Closing & Benediction. ** Music? ** Program? ** Chaplain Aides::: Scout Led. **About 15 to 20 minutes, max. Some References: Bible, Qur’an, Book of Mormon, Lotus Sutra, Hindu Vedas , Gospel of the Redman=E.T.Seton, The Scouter’s Companion=Gibbs Smith, Strength For Service=Nygard & Hunsberger, The Best of the Leader Cut Out Pages=Scouts Canada , In Our Own Way = R.L.Edmonds, The Scoutmaster Minute = R. Wendel. www.religioustolerance.org , www.macscouter , www.usscouts.org , www.boyscouttrail.com , www.religionfacts.com , www.scouter.com P.1/7 A Sample Scout’s Own Worship Service A Gathering === O Great Spirit whose voice I hear in the winds And whose breath gives life to all the world, hear me. I come before you as one of your many children . I am small and weak. I need your strength and wisdom. Let me walk in beauty. Make my eyes ever behold the red and purple sunset. Make my hands respect the things you have made And my ears sharp to hear your voice. Make me wise so I may learn the things you have taught my people, the lessons you have hidden under every leaf and rock. I seek strength, not to be superior to my brothers, But to be able to fight my greatest enemy, myself. Make me ever ready to come to you with clean hands and straight eyes, so when life fades like the fading sunset, my spirit will come to you without shame. =attributed to Chief Yellow Lark, Blackfoot = P.2/7 A Re:sponsive Reading The Scout Law Leader: “The person who is dishonest shall not live in My house; the person who is untruthful shall not stand before My eyes.” Psalm 101:7 Troop: A SCOUT IS TRUSTWORTHY. Leader: “And Ruth said: “Do not beg me to leave you or to return from following after you, for where you go I will go; and where you stay, I will stay.” Ruth1:16 Troop: A SCOUT IS LOYAL. Leader: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Leviticus 19:18 Troop: A SCOUT IS HELPFUL. Leader: “Can two walk together unless they agree?” Amos3:3 Troop: A SCOUT IS FRIENDLY. Leader: “Honor your father and mother.” Exodus20:12 Troop: A SCOUT IS COURTEOUS. Leader: “Withold not good from the person to whom it is due, when it is in the power of your hand to do it.” Proverbs3:27 Troop: A SCOUT IS KIND. Leader: “Apply your heart to instruction, and your ears to the words of knowledge.” Troop: A SCOUT IS OBEDIENT Proverbs23:12 Leader: “A glad heart is good medicine.” Proverbs17:22 Troop: A SCOUT IS CHEERFUL. Leader: “Precious treasure remains in a wise person’s dwelling, but a foolish person uses it up.” Proverbs20:12 Troop: A SCOUT IS THRIFTY. Leader: “Be strong and of good courage.” I Chronicles28:20 Troop: A SCOUT IS BRAVE. P.3/7 Leader: “Who shall ascend the mountain of the Lord? And who shall stand in His holy Place? The person who has clean hands and a pure heart.” Psalms24:3-4 Troop: A SCOUT IS CLEAN. Leader: “It has been told to you what is good, and what the Lord requires of you; to do justly, and to love mercy , and to walk humbly with your God.” Micah6:8 Troop: A SCOUT IS REVERENT. * * * * A Dialogue When Night Ends… A: The rabbi asked of his students: “How can we determine the hour of dawn – when the night ends and the day begins?” B: “When , from a distance , you can distinguish between a dog and a sheep?” one of his students suggested. A: “No”, the rabbi replied. B: “Master, is it when you can distinguish between a fig tree and a grapevine?” another student asked. A: “No “ he replied. B: “Please tell us the answer, then” said the students. A: “It is when you can look into the face of a human being and have enough light to recognize in him your brother” the wise teacher replied. “Until then, it is night, and the darkness is still with us.” * * * * P.4/7 A Choice Silent Worship Listen! To the world. To yourself. To the Spirit within and without. Listen! If something occurs to you, something stirred perhaps by what has gone before, allow the Spirit to move you to speak and share your thought. But do not break the silence merely to break it . Listen! * * * * A Reading “See thou that it is God whose praises all beings in the heavens and earth do celebrate, even the birds (of the air) with wings outspread? Each knows it’s own (mode of ) prayer and praise.” Qur’an, Ch.24, V.41 P.5/7 A Prayer (found on a wall of an old inn in Lancashire England) Give us health, our keep to make an’ a bit to spare for poor folks sake; give us all in th’ struggle and splutter our daily bread and a bit o’ butter. Give us, Lord, a bit o’ sun a bit o’ work and a bit o’ fun; give us sense, for we’re some of us duffers, an’ a heart to feel for all that suffers. Give us, too, a bit o’ a song, an’ a tale, an’ a book to help us along, an’ give us our share o’ sorrows lesson that we may prove how grief’s a blessin’. Give us, Lord, a chance to be Our goodly best, brave, wise and free, Our goodly best for ourselves and others Til all men learn to live as brothers. (Amen) * * * * Benediction (together please) “ May the Great Scoutmaster of all Scouts be with us, til we meet again.” P.6/7 Various Prayers, Graces, etc. *Prayer to say before White Water Canoeing (or do anything, come to think of it)::: “Dear God, we are about to go Canoeing. In a little while, we will be very busy. Please forgive us if we forget about you. Please do not forget about us.” *Superman Grace (to the tune of the first movie theme) with appropriate hand motions::: “Thank you Lord, thanks for the foooood! Thank you Lord, thanks for the foo-ooood! Thanks for the fooo-ood, it really is goo-ood! We thank thee, oh Lord! Thanks for the food! (buddadadum)” *Old Scottish Grace (with accent, if possible)::: Sum ha’ meat and canna eat, Sum ca’ eat and ha’e none. But WE ha’e meat, an’ WE ca’ eat, And so the Laird be than-ked. *Philmont Grace::: “For food, for raiment, for life, for opportunity, for friendship and fellowship, we thank thee, oh Lord.” (depending on when you visited Philmont, there may be other versions of this) *Irish Blessing::: May the road rise to meet your feet, the wind be ever at your back and the sun be over your shoulder, and may God keep you in the palm of his hand, til we meet again. May ye be in heaven 15 minutes afore the deevil knows yer dead! *From Rumi::: Let the beauty we love be what we do. *Navaho:: Before me peaceful Behind me peaceful Under me peaceful Around me peaceful. *Kum-Ba-Yah::: Sing the traditional hymn, but add verses about the Scout Law: “A Scout is Trustworthy, Lord, kum-ba-yah, a Scout is Loyal, Lord, kum-ba-yah…” …and so forth. You might be surprised how well it fits!
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"Aye, it be more of a non-recommended technique than a 'policy''. Three cars, mebbe. More'n that, them traffic lights and things interfere, dun ye know...""
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I'm not going to try and quote stuff here, but the gist of the survey mentioned may be correct, and the sex abuse settlement may be one of our crosses to bear (reputation?) ,but that is not why kids join Scouting.... Some sort of Scouting. Kids go to school usually because their parents want them to. We (parents !) realize we want our future (kids!) to know stuff. How to read, how to write, how to , as my dad used to say "cipher" . They stay in school, hopefully, because they (the kids ) come to LIKE learning, if it is done well by gifted, talented teachers. It is a challenge to speak, spell, realize numbers can be fun.... The challenge is the thing, not merely the achievement, the "AHA" moment. But the certificate, the little trophy does mean alot to the kid. So to with Scouting, whether it be BSA, or GSUSA, or Royal Rangers, or BP Scouts,,, The National policy makers have , indeed , lost track of this. The kid doesn't join Cub Scouts because she/he wants to "learn leadership". They convince his/her parents to let him/her join because it is seen as fun, an adventure . The patches mark the path taken, but the kid now knows about rope and knots, knows they can hike 3 miles, carry a canteen and maybe even cook a meal (grilled cheese is a meal). It cannot be about sitting down and discussing , describing, stuff. It must be about DOING stuff, and therefore taking pride in that accomplishment. Knowledge of Poison Ivy or the old stuff in that museum we visited (with buddies), can lead to Philmont or the summer camp over there (at least). That is where the Leadership stuff comes from. To lead, one must first be somewhat confident in one's self. AND be able to see the connections between the problem/task at hand and the solutions (AHA !) . The national folks of , fifty, sixty years ago who did not own up to the abuse claims must bear the responsibility of BSA's lose of reputation. The camps sold are the sad result. Where do our Scouts go to learn , experience ? The Army, Marine Corps should not be the first place to go to learn self responsibility and life skills. The adult may realize what the end result can be (leadership? Cooperation? Building? Happy life? ) but the kid has not thought about that, Sheldon Cooper not withstanding. Keep on keeping on, friends.....
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What is it about the BSA that has allowed it to survive?
SSScout replied to Cburkhardt's topic in Issues & Politics
Internal, external, Aluminuminum, magnesium, bushwah... Bring back the universally useful, eminently adaptable war surplus plywood M4 Pack board: -
Again. Bugling MB... Scout attempts to play the call(s). After each attempt, he asks, "Did that pass?" When I ask, "what do you think?" He responds, "mmmaybe not(sheepish grin)""... We part company with a partial, but I do not hear from him again.... It's the high G that get's 'em. But I insist I hear SOMETHING approximating the call as we both hear it on my ancient CD . Three brothers arrive with new "Hunting Horns", also seen online as a "Cavalry Horn" ( the short little ones , not a "real" bugle). I tell them, yes with expertise, the calls can be made on these horns. Are they ready? One says he played trumpet in his school band last year, but not this year. Why? He didn't like to practice (honesty !). The other two , younger brothers have never even attempted the new (still in the plastic wrap !) horns they have, that their mom bought for them. For the time allotted, we instruct and they learn to "buzz". Can I give them a "partial" ? Do they have their Blue Cards, as mentioned in the "prerequisites" ? No, thought I provided them. So, the mom didn't get them? I remind them that they , the SCOUTS need to take some more personal responsibility.... I remind them, they have all my contact info, call me when they are ready to DO the Merit Badge . That was three years ago. Never heard back from them. This is an all too usual thing for me.... I have done this by ZOOM, mom or dad in the background.... Discuss, listen, counsel, come back in two weeks, by golly, I can scan off a new Blue Card to them... Will they come across somebody who will be that Russian MBCounselor (It's Gudinov for me !)? Yeah... It's like we are not out of the Cub Scout mentality of "Do Your Best" as sufficient. Then there are the few Scouts who come ready. An hour later, I sign a Blue Card . A new Wynton Marsalis? Perhaps....
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Determining where a unit "exists" and how it is supported
SSScout replied to MyIndianNameIsSpoon's topic in Council Relations
Waaay back when, all we cared about were counties and states. With the later proliferation of Scout units, TPTB started dividing up the counties into Scout Districts, each with a DE to oversee them, sign the Important Papers (remember that campfire skit? Still allowed?). As paid Scouters and volunteer Scouters came and went, (I worked in a government agency, and can attest to this ), they would often seek to "leave a heritage", and so would re-arrange the districts to "make things more efficient" or "more logical" or.... Since becoming an Adult Scouter, I can document living and Scouting in no fewer than 5 defined and named "districts". I have the patches to prove the naming of at least three of these.... Same hikes, many of the same wonderful Scout friends, same campgrounds, seemingly the same Scouts, but when I pay attention, the faces do change. . Different faces, same dirty boots.... Sic Gloria Mundi. -
They need to learn to tie square bows so their shoes don't fall off..
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See? This is what happens when you don't ask your Highway Commissioner if she ever was a Cub Scout....
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FINALLY ! Our time with Pinewood Derby shows results : : :
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What's in a name? That which we call a Scout after the camp by any other name would smell as sweet....
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*sigh* Tie knots. Set up tents. cook over open fires. Knives and axes, chop wood. Help and serve others. Hike thru the woods. Observe and protect nature. Get dirty. Get clean. Wear a dorky uniform that used to be USEFUL and recognized and (?) respected. Neckerchiefs that could be signal flags, bandages, sweat rags, and tourniquets. Parents that wanted to spend time with their kids, not just watch them do stuff. Both Scouts of America. BOTH Scouts of America. The interesting thing to me is the idea that us older Scouters end up teaching the PARENTS more than the kids. Rebranding? You notice how McDonalds stores no longer LOOK like a fun place to go for a quick snack/meal? How the Micky D's now look like a ... prison block? A carwash looks more inviting. Is BSA headed that way? Scouts America... Gender neutral is definitely better. I heard GSUSA is now accepting BOYS in their ranks, is that true? Is that up to the local GSUSA leader? Campfire is all but non existent, at least in our area. Merging Councils... Can we say Owassippee ?
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And don't forget the "occasional" driver who will have no idea where their spare tire is when that cursed flat tire occurs.... Hey, HERE'S an opportunity.... Automotive Merit Badge afternoon in the church parking lot.....
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Convoys,,,,, Every driver MUST have the good directions. I marched in the Purdue Band 1966-1970. When we went to away games, it was a military operation. Ten or more busses, two or three trucks, a couple of private cars.... The student corps (I was a "supply sargent" , helped load and arrange stuff) listed, ordered, spoke to the drivers, and answered to the faculty staff. No cells, some radios, paper maps, memoes, lists of people and gear. Even a Troop of a half dozen cars/vans/ trailers, 35 people, needs knowledge, organization, cooperation, understandings. Convoys are useful, but not in today's traffic. Funeral processions get SOME respect, but not much without police escort. DO NOT expect Google speed estimates to match reality. Be patient. Smile and wave. A Scout is Courteous, Helpful, Friendly and Cheerful, even in I-95 traffic on a friday afternoon...... Cell numbers, PAPER DIRECTIONS and or maps, stop and regroup spots along the way. Lunch stops with sufficient parking spaces. Traveling in Scout Casual, Scout hats and matching tshirts gets lot's of smiles and even discounts or FREE LUNCH sometimes. AND encourage folks to check out their vehicle BEFORE the event. Tires pumped up, oil level okay, mufflers attached (!), windshields washed (Scout service !) , seatbelts operational.... See you on the trail !
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Well, censorship, The Golden Rule, Kharma, Rinpoche, freedom of expression and choice, protecting youth (from adults?), civic duty versus personal responsibility, quite a discussion. I came here late, I have not been able to read the article because the Richmond Times-Dispatch keeps wanting me to SUBSCRIBE. But GOOGLE is your friend: https://dailyprogress.com/news/nation-world/government-politics/hanover-girl-scout-gold-award-censored-book-nooks-banned-hcps/article_283731ad-4dd9-5c8f-ba7a-ae16e18542aa.html It is , indeed, a Brave New World..... Aldous Huxley, call your office.
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Work for who? Is the SM (she?) doing ALL the work? Is she teaching COOKING MB? Is she doing the KP? Is the CChr doing all they can to keep the SM occupied and busy elsewhere? The SM's job is to sit back by the campfire and say "go ask your Patrol Leader" with appropriate aplomb and important harumf sounds....
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No Scout is going to starve in one weekend campout. Maybe three days, but not two.... And learning to cook is a three step process: 1) watch others cook (mom, dad, the Patrol Leader...) 2) trying it out yourself (when was the FIRST time you flipped a pancake successfully ?) 3) Finding out the cellophane and cardboard on the frozen pizza is NOT part of the ingredients,,,, .discovering that yes, you can cook Dinty Moore Stew in it's can, but you must OPEN IT first..... ... We will discuss hygiene and clean up next time....
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Yep. How many Scouts, how many Patrols actually? Patrol cooking and activities are important. Adult "Patrol".... Two Scouts make a Patrol. Patrols can be, ARE a measure of the TROOP'S success. Perhaps the SM sees the few Scouts (how many "few"?) just need to be economically, efficiently co-agulated into one "PATROL" of the whole. SM then misses the point. The gang is the Patrol. Kids want, will gravitate into a gang, if there is nothing else. Look at Haiti. as an extreme example. Patrols are a learning time, a chance to do "gang" stuff in a GOOD way. Where did SM do their training? What did they learn about Scouting? Are they a Scientist type? a Farmer type? A Teacher type? Everyone "all in their places with bright shining faces" type? What, after all, is Scouting's purpose? Self assurance? Skill and pride of accomplishment, perhaps? how is that accomplished if the Scouts aren't "turned loose" ? In a CSDC some years back, on the last day.... thru the past week we had daily sessions, rotated thru the day. Fairly organized.... On the last day, a "WATER FEST"> games, tug a war thru a mud pit, lots of just fun stuff. One lady came up to me and said she didn't understand how this could be a good thing, she didn't know what her Cub might be "LEARNING"... I asked her where her Cub was, where the Den was, she pointed "over there"... the Cub Wash area, the Sponge throw battle area... I asked was he smiling, was he enjoying himself. She nodded "I guess so." I said then we had been successful. Ask him about his knots and Poison Ivy later..Siren sounded and the Dens took off for the next wet thing......
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I am trying hard to adapt this title to the song "When a man loves a woman.... " for parodic purposes...