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While he should have been no allowed based on currently known information, and it suggests poor checking. Background checks I believe had not yet been ut in place. Do not know whether this would have shown in one anyway. Still, poor judgment in seeming to not check things properly. Always the likely hood that references could have also been less than open, even if they were contacted. But, this does not seem to indicate, at least from what is shown, sexual abuse on record at the time. These types of examples are fuzzy at best, and we may be reaching some. Not sure they are really partic

"The American public has completely bought into the idea that if something bad happens you are entitled to be reimbursed and that means that SOMEONE with a big checkbook has to be held to blame. " And this is far TOO true and part and parcel of the mess we have here and in many other cases. The key item here is "someone with a big checkbook; or at least the perception of one". The view is without any peripheral vision. Perfection and absolutism is simply impossible. But that does not deter, and that is why it goes off on tangents and loses focus to the point of insanity.

While it is more visible, many camps still have their variants on these traditions. We have our Tribe of Matilija at our camp, but they do not do ceremonies. It is mostly just another option for the summer program and gets some service done in camp while units earn the award, which is now far different than its original requirements that developed in the thirties at Camp Gray. The Tribe was the basis for the OA Lodge, and the original Lodge members were all part of the Tribe of the time when started in the forties. Long Beach has a very large Tahquitz group at the camp, and it too is part

Not sure USA Today is a very reliable source from most of what they publish.

No point in trying to be rational or pointing out actual improvements, as the bulk of the issue predates, as has been noted, the rapid development of YP. But, the recording and reviews definitely need to be bolstered. That, of course, is really something that needs public awareness on all fronts, and not just with CSA issues. Little is ever simply black and white, and the shading is too often decides by emotion and incomplete data. As many have noted, we can argue all we want about the past, but we cannot change it, nor can we do justice to damage, either physical or psychological.

Guess this should be here. Have reached out to Council as to how we do this? I should be covered anyway as a retired educator; but not sure how that gets linked. May be an opportunity for the Fingerprinting merit badge? https://apnews.com/article/california-recall-business-california-legislature-child-abuse-cc67021945d6cf68606f3333d14a847e?fbclid=IwAR0niFEEQ_pQsopxp-8L2bBP37MZFbvwzO3w9rAJSiNXQih8fzuaXGYYwR0

Will be interesting to see the results.

There is no way to make you stop putting words into my typing. I never said or even suggested there was no harm, no matter how far back you choose to go. I said I do not see how there is any real way to assign value to the damage for monetary means, and that even if there was, it will not cure the overall interrelated pain. No matter what actual meaning I have intimated, I have never stated no physical harm was done, or suggested the psychological harm is not real. Accept that I do not see the "how" factor. Just because something has been on record for centuries does not change, at least

This just showed up in a FB page: https://legalnewsline.com/stories/608422718-judge-orders-deeper-probe-into-where-thousands-of-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-claims-came-from?fbclid=IwAR0IGy-lFMOEhEhEOOE0bFHLnKPZA9hrvRfj_f3SeCrgR1vwpV4d4VYH54A Since I do not follow these threads constantly, I may just have missed comment on it. But, on the other hand, I am intrigued by the note of skepticism indicated.

It is still difficult for me to truly understand the use of the term "value of the claim(s). As, it seems an impossible task to actually put value on pain, either physcial or emotional, or psychological (though that would be emotional really). It still comes down to trying to make victims whole, and they will never be made whole. And as has been noted from the beginning, the dragging this all out of the dark corners of many psyches just reinforces the pain from the past, and adds new pain as well. No win, no matter what. But big losses.

Naivete and simple trust in the supposed responsible nature of those reaching out to help with youth and others. As we all know, it is not just youth that have been victimized by individuals in whom we may have put undue, or too shallow trust. We always come back to the same thing; you will not eliminate tese things completely. But we can, have, and are improving the oversight methods. It still comes back to our tendency, as basic humans, to often trust too much for various reasons. That is part of the human condition, and in most cases, it works. But, obviously, not always. That cannot

Our Methodist unit is struggling of course with the vagaries of this whole situation. Our pastor and congregation support our presence, but we also have moved to the facility arrangement. We do not know what may transpire from here of course, as the "Case" may go myriad directions with the fickleness of the courts and so on. I received a link to the most recent broader article, that talks ALL CO's from our COR and Committee Chair. He, like me, has had a number of assurances we are still considered part of the Church outreach and will so remain if at all possible, even with the Charte

I hereby apologize to any posters on this thread that misinterpreted any of my posts, or feel that I somehow disrespected them. That has never been my intent. I honestly hope that those actually having been abused in any manner might get some relief, though I know as I have noted a number of times, that the final results will never be enough nor actually fix much. Perhaps, if you are spiritual, you might get solace in knowing that the final judgement will not be by we fallible humans. While I may check back to just see what does not readily appear in the news, and to review things,

First, the amount paid to the lawyers is simply obscene, and they do not deserve it. And that is a problem of our court system. Limits on lawyers should exist, period; and emotion should not be allowed to overly skew it. More importantly, again from my own perspective as a rational person, the jury payouts on many emotionally weighted cases is outlandish and again would not happen in other parts of the western world. Our legal system is broken and allows those types of awards, even though they are attempts to fix something that cannot be fixed. More importantly, the actual perpetr

Again, I have never stated that the proceedings should not play out, only that they do it in a balanced and as close to fair manner as possible. And that does not mean trying to force money out of questionable sources or ignoring larger effects. Certainly, IF they finally arrive at a payout, the victims should be paid. I personally would limit the lawyer payout to no more than 5-10 percent of the totals, period. So, if you are to get the maximum payout under the current optins, you increase that payout by taking it from the lawyers, not trying to force liquidation of properties never meant

I am not a lawyer, only a rational human being with opinions based on longevity and personal experience, as well as a broad sampling of reading for decades. This entire thread if full of impossible expectations. My personal demons are not the same as yours, and I cannot comprehend yours. But they are personal, and no amount of manetary solice will make them go away, and I have mostly learned to live with them and keep them at bay. Your comment though, and "I know my opinion is not important apparently", suggest somehow that other emotional life experiences do not hold the same importance a

Please show where I ever suggested emotional damage was not real. You are making things up out of your own emotional cloth, and that is not anything money can cure. Perhaps it may salve your and your families phystical surroundings, but it will never "fix" the damage. Only your own personal spiritual healing can even salve it. As I noted before, most of us have had emotional damage of one type or another, and few are likely to say they completely healed. I have no answer for that. But I do feel that the idea take away the overall positive program and its support to somehow get even is no

"the sky is the limit for their liability". This is the problem with this and similar law suits. It leads to drawn out court cases and often ruination of not only the entity sued, but very often peripheral groups or people. And, no one has yet explained to me how you put "a value or price" on emotional and psycological damage, since it will vary from personality to personality, and often is made worse by the very law suit that is being placed. Worse, in most cases, it is not the actual perpetrator that is being affected, but groups and people that had little or no control, or made poor dec

While there is no absolute way of proving many considerations on Council held properties, the truth is that most were given to councils with verbal stipulations for use by Scouts and the expectation that is what would happen going forward. Some, more careful donors, understanding greed and lawyers, specifically wrote those stipulations into their donations. Most though were the "old fashioned" hand shake agreement that today's legal system often chooses to ignore. That being said, IF certain camps and properties were put on the market, there likely will then be more legal ramblings from fam

So, what is to disagree? IF they earned the skill award, then they pretty much did all the rank requirements as well. I believe that is what I noted. Of course, in the case of most merit badges, they still had more things to do besides the items in the skill awards. Now, for First Aid for example, they must have completed all the rank rquirement first aid items as a prerequite. That is the first requirement.

Skill awards simply allowed the scout to earn bling for various types of skill, getting one for first aid meant completing all the first aid requirements for the first three ranks. If a scout earned all the skill awards, he pretty much also learned all the ranks through first class, with a few additional things added in each level. Also, the skill award booklets were often very good for covering those various rank parts more easily. Or at least so I saw it.

All the kabitzing about "reliable", "fair", "equitable", and so on, especially in relation to assets, is simply legalese. Few involved, especially the lawyers, can agree on much, if anything. Greed is the guiding principle, especially with most of the lawyers. But, even with some claimants I suspect, as if vetting was done thoroughly, some would be shown to be pretty much made up. Reality suggests, at least to me, that there is no end result that will find large satisfaction. And the idea that somehow destroying the 95%+ positive elements of BSA, or for that matter, any youth servin

There is much to suggest part of the name issue also had to do with Low not having a great "fondness" for BP's sister, who was the developer of Girl Guides, though, Olave became more in control after the marriage, I believe.

Of course some are false. If you think they are not, then you do not live in our warped world and legal system.

Normally? Where does that figure come from? What is normal, and how did it pop up? There is no normal, only greed and lawyer hype.