Scoutfish

I remember a few years ago..or maybe it was over 15...that I was watching the Tonight Show with Jay Leno. During the opening momologue, he was yaking about the latest $10,000,000.00 scientific study conducted on behalf of the US government. In thjis study which lasted about 6 months, scientists discoverd that more people died when 747 ( carrying 524 passengers) crashed than when Piper Cubs ( carrying 4 passengers) crashed. Really? Amazing. I would have completed that study in 5 minutes and only charged the government $100,000.00 to do it!

WEll, assuming things are working the way they are "supposed" to be, you'd have a treasuerer who would see the check with the forged or two same signatures on it. One signature should be of the treasuerer, and the other should be of any other authorized person - unless that person is getting the check. In our pack, we have 3 authorized people: The treasurer, the CM ( me) and the COR. If I am getting reimbursed, then the treas and COr sign it, If the COR is getting reimbursed, The treas and myself will sign. In the event that the treasuerer starts popping off two self signature checks, the bank is "supposed" to flag it and hold it. At any point along the line, there has to be some honesty working.

"How quickly we forget that any power or right we surrender to the government can be used by that same government ...." Yeah except one important detail: That wasn't a right to begin with. Scoutingagain said it well. There are rights we have, and rights we wish we had or THINK we have. Flying in a commercial jetliner because it's just more convienent for us is not a right. Just like oprisoners who want their own personal jar of crunchy peanut buter or people who think they can make pipe bombs willy nilly as long as it is on their own property. Not a right. Never was to begin with. Priviledge? Absolutely. And I have no problem for anybody to use that privelidge. But to get uypset and gallop around on a high horse like society owes us the ability to rush on a plane that travels over a big chunk of the American population ( and by this, I mean public and not your personal property) without a simple amount of precautionary inspection or accountability on our part. As a responcible society, we need to realize something we have been spouting off on for ages: FREEDOM ISN'T FREE! It comes with a cost. And it's not limited to just battlefields either. We have laws, we have rules, we have obligations and we have processes that need to be followed. If flying is just to aggitating for people, they can drive, take a bus or ride in a train.

I say use Dennis The Mennace! Yeah, at first it doesn't have that appeal to it, but he just might be the total package of Cub Scouts if not Boy Scouts. He's all boy, plenty of imagination, loves going outseide over being stuck inside ANYDAY! He alwayts looks out for and encourages and supports his freind Joey too. Has no fear of exploring or mud, cannot wait to try the next building project or exploration trip and is not afraid to get wet, muddy or soaked in the rain, a pond or puddle. He's pretty good with rope and knots too! And playing tea party or dolly dress up just ain't gonna pass muster! Of course, if dennis is too busy, Calvin from Calvin and Hobbs would be great too!

Yeah, but it's not so privare when you board a plane with 300 other people and depart from a facility with over 1,000 people walking around. Add to the fact that these planes go acrss state and national boundarys, go to foriegn nations, and that any incident does not just affect the individual who bought the ticket. But using your logic, I should be allowed to make a nuclear bomb as long as I pay cash for the materials from private individuals, keep the components and all materials on my own private property and do not seek public or government input or assistance? Likewise, if I operate my own motor privately owned motor vehicle, powered by gasoline that I bought with my own cash, and my vehicle is insured by my own money...then I shouldn't have to worry about a driver's license or silly things like DUI charges or anything like that , right? WEll, of course not, Because my actions can and will affect others who are in athe public and common areas outside my own personal private property. You might have made a private transaction with a commercail buisness, but from that point on, every step of that process takes place in the general public of each state as well as across other peoples private/ state/ federal property and commonwealths. And supposing I decided for whatever warped reason to decide it was my duty to blow a plane up - even though I made a private transaction with a commercial entity - my actions will directly affect a tremendous amount of the public and greater good of many state and National citizens. ""The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." And yes, flying in a commercial jet IS NOT a right. It is a priveledge. You do not have to fly. You do not have a situation where you have no other options.You have numerous options , not limited to : buses, trains, PRIVATE OWNED VEHICLE, bicycle, walking,jogging, running, skipping, motorcycle, moped, skates, skateboard, canoe, row boat, jon boat, sailboat, schooner, clipper, steam boat, U boat, gravy boat, etc.... But flaying is quicker, easier, possibly cheaper depending on your alternative methood, and is just more conveinent...but not a dire necessity nor a God given and/or Constitutional right. But let a jet explode over your locale . Let some people you know get hurt. Let people - who just happen to be along the flight path who are not passengers nor have made any transaction with that commercial enterprise - get killed due to an individual who had a bomb or weapon...will you still cry fould over government "intrusion"? And has it happened before? Yeah it has. 9-11 sound familair? Bet if you asked all the families and friends of those who died that day if they would like to have some of that government intrusion in place that morning and see what answers you get? And you do nknow that of all the people who died, the majority were not people who made private transactions with a commercial enterprise. They had nothing to do with flying whatsoever except having a big ole jet plow into them, make a building fall on them, or die while trying to rescue thoise who were hurt,injured, or hurt due to that jet. The people in the Pentagon, in the two towers ( and surrounding buldings), and all the police and firefighters who were killed were not part of a "The ability to conduct a commercial carraige transaction with a private provider "

So it comes down to it being the TSA's fault because somebody did not plan ahead and/or allow extra time for something they must have been completely familair with in trheir particular instance. I mean, come on, When I was fresh from my cancer surgery, I had to wear my "chesticles" 24/7 . Of course, my chesticles were JP Pratt drains. They were hand grenades shaped and sized rubber bulbs that had 1/4 inch tubes that were sewn inside my body to drain excess blood and other odd bits of scraps that were resultant of having surgery. I did not fly after having surgery. But I did have a conversation with my wife on the way home from the hospital about those two hand genade sized objects that looked like they could be strapped to my chest. I even mentioned that they sure would set of alarms once somebody felt them. Okay, the original subject was getting frisked by a state trooper as she was speeding down the interstate in order to hurry up and get home. We both looked like crack heads since I was going home one day after surgery and she hadn't slept but 3 hours in a 24 hour period. But just like in this site, the conversation evolves/devolves into other things and airport security came up ( we passed at least 4 airports on the 4 hour drive home). And we even talked about my wifes sister who will wait til it's time to be somewhere before she leaves her house and then have to make 6 side stops. She will be late, but of course, it is everybody else's fault that she had to stop get gas, get a latte' , get some fries at a drive through, etc.. But it's not her fault if, being late, she does not fit within the time line and schedule of something that affects 200 people ( a passenger train as a matter of fact) So again, did the woman and her mom not plan ahead? Seems the TSA actuallt gave several options, just not the ones the passengers wanted. And anothyer sidenote..It damn sure isn't the TSA fault that the people didn't hyave a spare Adult garmet. Guess they planned on the woman wearing the same one all day long. Good thing she didn't go #2 or else she'd be either wearing it or going without anything on after all anyways. Bad planning , but not on TSA"s part. And again, it all comes down to something we say in this forum all the time, the greater good of all by far outweighs the enjoyment of one person. And we are not talkiing about a God given or constitutional right here either. We are talking about a conveinence and priveledge....nothing more!

Sorry to hear it. Unfortunatly, trhere is no right or correct answer anymore than asking what is "the" favorite color for kids...to each his own. Every kid is different, and the situation is unique to each kid who has to hyandle it in his own way. I agree that just being there , listening when needed, giving spoace when needed and talking when needed is the thing to do. The hard part is knowing what time to do which one.

I have a very simple idea for you. You need two 4 foot long pieces of 3/4 inch pvc pipe or just 2" X 2" wooden picket ( used for porch or deck railing) . For each target, drive the pipes or stakes in the ground about 30" apart. Then get yourself some pizza boxes. Cut the tops and bottoms out and paint or draw targets on them. Then get yourself some wire clotrhes hangers and thread them through the cardboard about 3 inches from the top edge. bend a hook in each end of the hanger and let that hook stick down into the pipe. If the hit the target, the box should shing back away from the arrow, but by deflection, should also send it to the ground faster and in a shorter distance.

Back to the paranoia thing: Prevention is a great thing! The fact that a hijacking- which did happen occasionally here, and does still continuously happen elsewhere - hasn't happened in a while is a testament to that preventative measure. Same as having police step up patrols of certain high crime areas. While it does not stop all crime, it deters alot. But to say police are no longer needed because nobody has broken into a building lately is flawed logic. AS SOON AS TRHE POLICE GO AWAY..THE BREAKINS START BACK UP. As soon as screeners are given the pink slip, things will happen again. Luckily, most are caught before boarding: The fella with the shank in his shoe, the fella with the bomb in his shoe. Then you have the kids again, Juyst read a story today - as a matter of fact - about a tenn who was used to carry a bomb. The teen wasn't even aware of it. But to add to that..imagine if I spent years telling my son that God wanted us to fight the evil tyranbts who are running our country into the ground. Suppose I tell him that anybody using airplkane are evil people doing the devils work. I could be any nutjob who has a religious issue, or a anti government militia type who runs a compound of para militray anti government freedom soldiers who are ready for the next Oklahoma type incident. Maybe I am thinking of starting at an airport wich flys a bunch of government employees. No not militray, just your IRS, Dept of Interior, CDC, etc... Maybe I spend the majority of my son's life spewing all kinds of tin hat logic. And he eats it all up! He may not see anything wrong about blowing upm a plane or airport. He may see it as a duty to his beliefe. You never really know what kids soak up from mom and dad. Or whe your Timmothy McVeighs ( sp?) or Unabombers decide to go for a bigger score. And don't forget the American Extreme Muslim fanatics who sided with the Taliban and AlQueda after 9-11. THoser are the guys we are looking to PREVENt from doing stuff. What is that old saying: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure"? But I do agree that there could be some overhauling of policy, procedures and hiring practices that could be put into place.

Jewry is a southern word designating decoration of the body. Some jewry is bodacious, some is is downright purty lookin, and some are so hi falutin that you might just have to slap your granma right aside the head! But some is just so ugly, you wouldn't let a dead opossum wear it...bless his heart!

The archery and Bb beltloops and pins can be awarded by anybody. The den leader or any leader who was at the camp where the activity took place. But the key thing is this: The scouts can only participate at an offical sanctioned activity which must take place at a council or district camp. Our scouts participate in BB and archery every time they go to Council parent/son and Council resident camp. All they do is bring us a target as proof and a parent who can verify to get a beltloop. The pin takes a bit more time with the scout talking/demonstarting certian principals to his den leader.

I know there is a difference from one troop to the next, and one council to the next and a huge difference between BOY Scouts and CUB Scouts..but there is another factor: PARENTS! I have Cub SCoutys who want a full uniform soooo bad they can't hardly stand themselves. But when they go to mom or dad, they get the "Sorry baby, we can't do that right now, maybe next week. If it ain't important to mom and dad, then everything you do may be for naught. And mom and dad may not see things the way you do.

Assuming i understod your point in this post...... ....... I am willing to bet that BSA won't reply since it seems you have a bigger issue with the USSSP's wording of it on their site than what the MB books say. And to BSA's credit, the books do carry a disclaimer in them that says the books get edited and re e3dited occasionally. It also says they are general interests and intended to be used as an aid. So they are not 100 % thorought nor do the books cover every single instance that can be expect in regards to the skills required for the particular MB. Funny thing about the First Aid MB class I just finished teaching a few weeks ago to our troop: Alot of the boys already new and could easily demonstrate the skills necessary to meet the requirementrs. And althought we didn't have any 3rd degree burn victems lying around, they did explain what they would do if there was one there. I also used magic marker to draw cuts, scrapes, blisters, snakebites and broken bones on the boys arms at which time they had a blast demonstrating what to do. Now, having been a former EMT for 12 years at Fire Dept/Rescue Squad/Water Rescue station... I could go pretty well in depth about the tyupe of stuff they could find in our general area from chiggers to jelly fish to rabid animals to snakes. But I agree with the idea that you may spend more time towards the stuff you might actually come across based on where you are going and what is common for your area..(This message has been edited by scoutfish)

They must eat alot of peanut butter and jelly and processed mush meat in Cary!

Nah, I know they don't like it. And I can imagine that it's not just checking people in general...but also checking people who really stink, people with awful hygene and people who are walking crud carrying "Typhoid Mary's" with everything from a simple cold to a flu to a highly contageous intestinal virus. But it's a give and take situation. If you treat passengers with contempt, they will throw it right back at you. Of course, it goes the same way for the passengers. If passengers took 3 seconds to realize that these checks are for a reason and not just to create long lines of people.....and kept the snide comments and rediculous dramatics to themselves...the screeners might not give attitude back. And you know..most of the time...it is our own spoiled nature and lack of thinkiing about anybody but ourselves ...that leads to this problem. For example, My wife is a manager of a gas station/convenience store on a beach. It's the only one on a 17 mile beach. And gas prices are ridiculously haigh because it is on the beach. The store sells the gas for the gas company who sets the prices. The store makes 3 cent a gallon off the gas. Yet every other customer who comes in teh store thinks that whoever is behind the cash register is responcible for the price of gas. Really? Do you think that if I was making a million dollars in quarterly profits - as compared to Exxon's first-quarter profit of $10.65 billion ( http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/28/us-exxonmobil-idUSTRE73R35O20110428 )...do you think I would sit behind that counter taking crap from people? Anyways, we tend to get an attitude of " I am the hand that feeds you so you owe me" , and also a "I am outraged that you personally are screwing me by making me follw the rules that everybody else has to follow. See, I don't want to have to stand in line and get groped by security people at an airport either. But I also know that this practice didn't start yesterday, that events like 9-11 are a big reason that this is done..and ultimately, I do not have to fly nor is it a constitutional right to fly on a plane . Easier and faster than driving/train/bus? Yep, you betcha! But is it a vital necessity? No, it's a priveledge. One that comes with a cost. So, if you have to fly, wether for pleasure or a job, then you already know what is going to happen. Why treat security people like it's there fault? And if you maybe say hello and smile..or at the very least, not give them crap for doing what they are paid for..they might smile back and treat you the same way! And the thing is, even if you are late because you had a flat tire, your boss made you late, or traffic was unbelievably bad..it does not make it their fault or responsible for it. And it does not change the fact you still have to go through the screening. You know what it comes down to? MANNERS

Now, I see no reason or justification for personel to act rude or hostile. They can still do their job while being pleasant about it. Matter of fact, maybe they should be given classes on how to be more freindly and pleasant..which in turn will cause passengers to do the same. Funny how just keeping your attitude in check can change everything. I fopund that staying calm, keeping my voice pleasant and even help tremendously through the years as a firefighter /EMT as works today with customers at my job.

So basically, a sheath knife is ( in this situation) just a very broad name for "fixed blade knives" ? GRanted, I am a CM, but I bring not one, but two sheath knives with me when we go camping. One is a 5 3/4 inch Rapala fillet knife. The other is a 71/2 Rapala fillet knife. Both are very sharp and even come with their own specific blade sharpening stone set to a specific angle to keep them VERY SHARP! REmember the movie Rambo where the sheriffs deputy was testing how sharp Rambo's knife was by cutting a sheet of paper with no effort at all? My knives are twice as sharp as that! But I only use them for when I am cooking some meals. Whch means only on the first nite of CUB PACK camping when everybody is respomcible for their own meal anyways. Matter of fact, when I use the knives for actually filleting fish, I only use about 1" of the tip end for all my cutting anyways. When cutting up beef, pork or other meats or veggies, I might use up to 3 inches of the blade starting at the tip end. But it's the length that allows the knife to be laid flat on it's side so I can slide along side the fish's bones athat allows the most meast and least amount of waste when cutting fillets from fish. Anyways, anybody who is trained in how to PROPERLY HANDLE and WHEN to use any knife will not have any issues , wether it is a machete, sheath knife, or K-bar. A knife is only dangerous when untrained hands get ahold of it.

Well, it won't be the first time I said I wasn't an experiences Boy Scouter, but I do want to chime in. I just recently finished teaching the first aid merit badge to 10 boys in my CO's chartered troop. The SM and one of the ASM's asked me if I could do this before they go to camp. I went out and bought the first aid MB book and studied it. Pretty simple stuff ...but of coursem being a former firefighter and EMT didn't hurt, which is also why I chose this MB as one to teach. WEll, anyways, I broke it down into four sections so as to stretch it out over a months worth of troop meetings and to make sure it wasn't like sitting in school. Either I has really underestimated the boys ability or they are just really smart. These guys not only knew most of what to do, but understood what could be done in situations where you did not have a nice new first aid kit handy. Two of the boys...well. let me just say I want them near me if I ever get hurt in the woods. So, I can't say that merit badges in general are too easy, but I know that I figured on First Aid being kinda hard for them it only took 3 nights, and part of that was after they took a non pass/fail review test I made up. No, not a "add to requirements" test, but a test that they took, then we all went over so we could see what each boy might be having trouble with. They could change answers after we went over them . Now, I don't know about you guys, but if I ever gfot something wrong on a test and was able to write the right answer in afterward.... I always remembered it after that. Also, I had the boys bring in their own personal first aid kits and explain what each thing was and I also brought in some blankets, poles, bandages and used magic marker to create wounds on different scouts for the rest to tend to. At one point during the second night, I created a scenerio for the boys and told them they all forgot their first aid kits at camp. Then I told them to find or make up everythiung they needed to treat "A", "B", and "C". They came back with sticks, vines, a surveyor's stick with the pink ribbon, and everybody took their neckkers and belts off to be used if needed. 9 out of the ten got their blue cards signed on the 3rd night. One needed an extra night to earn it and had his signed on the 4th night.

"..paranoia of people like scoutfish is that it causes an unnecessary panic among the people." Except one thing: It happens all the time. You ever read a story about a guy who runs into the airport and everybody sees the big bomb wrapped around his chest? Nope, you sure don't! That guy hides it the best way he can. So what is the best way to hide something? You put it where people themselves wouldn't think to hide such a horrible device. Put it where people have not lowered themselves to such a level. Yeah, that means babies,, pets, elderly, etc. And no, it's not a what if, but a "it's been done already". You listen to the news? Read the papers? Women and childrren are already been used by Al Qaeda..not only just against us, but their felow countrymen . Again, when planning for the nemy, you have to put yourself in his state of mind, not your own. You have to plan by his gamebook and the rules he follows, not your own. And I think somebody said it right, it's the rich who are inconvenienced...just like they are with regular every day things like stoplights, rules, etc..... As for the children: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article6135887.ece http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5j7bAPfPt_86sbBYKrAVuuhIMhsvg http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2007/mar/23/20070323-103216-5326r/ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327052/Kamikaze-canines-The-sick-Iraqi-terrorist-plot-bomb-U-S-plane-exploding-DOG.html About that being paranoid...............

Nah, I think Bin Laden didn't have a single issue with anything America did...until after we pulled out after giving them all the goodies of war and other help with the Soviets. As long as we were standing by them...everything was cool. But as soon as we didn't jump on the "destroy anybody who is Osama's enemy...we in turn became the enemy. Yeah, it's a psycho thing, ya know!

Yeah, there is such a thing as being stupid and way over board..especially the waterbottle thing you mentioned, but I am saying you can't ignore a whole catagory of persons just because you or I wouldn't use them as a means to act . And it's is just a representation of our society: For every person who does their job well, there is another who just shouldn't be allowed to even work there...or at Mac Donald's It does make me wonder though how they would react to a colostomy bag though.

Okay, I am more venting than anything else, but sometimes, it irks me to no end when people think only within their own bubble or lifestyle and not around the lifestyle and thinking of those who threaten us. Basically, It really gets me ill to see people outraged over childern, infants, elderly ande such being scanned, checked or patted down at airports. I just caught a glimps of the oversight hearing concerning a YouTube video of a chile being patted down. It was a young girl, and the airport security person was a woman, The Security person was very CALMLY and POLITELY explaining to the girl everything she was doing . She wasn't snappy or mean or pushy about it. Somehow, this video went viral and sent mainstream public into a frenzy. Then as I am walking out of the room, I hear a congressman smugly say how ridiculous it was about the IDEA of a child wanting to blow up a plane. At this point, I realized what a total idiot this guy was and wish I could have been there to personally tell him so and why I came to that conclusion. And here it is...simple as day: Terrorists do not think in a good, well meaning or respectful manner. They do not stop their plans based on their enemies tabbo morals. Yeah, what I am saying is that - while that senator , you, me, or anybody else could not lower ourselves to the position of using infants, children, or elderly as bomb carriers or suicide bombers - the terrorists DO! They have done, still do it and will continue to do it! And pasting all over the national news that we are all but going to stop checking the aforementioned people for such things only invites...no, begs the terrorists to use those means and methoods. Again, what people do not realize is that the terrorists does not use our line of thinking. They do not stop and say: , Wait! The infidel American pigs might be upset if we use little Billy as a bomb, send Achmed instead!" Nope! Not gonna happen. They do not share the same morals, ideals, or any kind of religious thoughts we do. And the whole point of security is to prevent/catch them before they do something based on their thinking and actions, not ours. So Mr. Congressman whose name I did not catch, wake up, look outside your window and see the real world as it is, now how you think it should be.

Yeah, this is everyday cold war stuff that continued after the cold war ended. As for it being brazenly open...well, that's just it: It's not new, not just beginning..just not hiden like it always was before. And why not? "Running this type of op openly invites reprisals. Are we asking for another 9-11? Yeah, about that 9-11....what was that a reprisal for? Living in a free country? Having the choice to practice a religion any way you want? Having freedom to do as you pretty much wish? Because we did not support Osama on a continuous non stop basis whay back when? You are talking extream fanatical terrorists. The may have a big ole Jihad party because we haven't outlawed Sponge Bob yet. Maybe because women have not only shown their ankles in public, but showd the bikini bodies at the beach! Maybe it is time we stand up and say : "Hell yeah, we did that! WE took that guy out because he was a threat to our freedom and hwat we value as a nation!" Terrrorists claim responcibility for any act that catches national or world wide notice. The bigger and more sinister and macabre, the more terrorists who try to claim responcibility for it! It's like making a public example of a lawbreaker ..just on a way bigger scale. Maybe it's the kind of thing that could make our enemies step back and rethink attacking us!

Well....I think of the discussions in here as if we were standing around a campfire or if we were assembled in the staff quarters at camp and having a meeting. We do not always have to specifically adress any one person. Sometimes, our comments are just thrown out there in general and are to shaow what we think/feel and to also draw out anybody elses thoughts or opinions. But just like sitting around at a campfire ; where I do not specifically adress one person each time I speak...If I mean for my comment to go to a specific person, I will call them by name. And just like a real life warm bodies campfire...there are sometimes 3 or 4 conversations going on at one time. And of course, those 3 or 4 conversations breed other conversations. Now here's another thing to look at, and some of us need to take it to heart more than others: No matter how long you have been doing something, so matter how much you know, and wether it's ingrained so deep that you'd forget how to breath before forgetting this...somewhere, somebody else is not as familiar, has not done it as long, and may be totally new to and not completely understand how something works. To say somebody is a troll because a "sensitive to YOU" subject is brought uyp only shows ourt own shortcoming. For example: Baement, Beavah, rat and a few others have probably been active scouts and scouters since before I was born. Gosh you guys are old! And add also, the fact I have only been doing this 3 years AND that I was NOT a scout as a youth..then the "common knowledge" you have ingrained in your body as a part of your DNA does not exist to me. Think of this too: Maybe at one time people did not ask the kinds of questions that are asked today. At one time, none of you sat around on a computer at your house discussiong scouting at all. You either called somebody on a phone or you talked face to face. Maybe you wrote letters and waited an entire week or ( gasp) two to get a reply, at which time you read it, and wrote back to continue the conversation. THis site does make it easier for ANYBODY to bring up, discuss, and argue anything and give our point of view. So instead of having to suck up some pride and just follow what a leader in your unit said or have to ask a fellow scouter, you can now ask anybody in the world , any question about any scouting thing you want, and can get an answer faster than you can physically walk to your mailbox. And since I don't have to personally face you in the warmblooded body, I have no pause or embarrassment to keep me from asking anything...including wether my patch falling off ( hey, badge magic, anyone?) is a big deal or not! Simply put and as one of my nascar.com buddies said once.....sometimes what we read and how we take it is really a reflection of us and not the one who posted a comment

"Is the BSA regulating the fun out of Scouting? " ABSOLUTELY! But it's not so much as a plan to do so, but a result of having to reglating BSA away from a multitude of lawsuits! And I mean from the "My child got poison ivy/ scrape on his knee/ bumped his head on a tree/ got wet when it rained on his head, slept in a bad bed/ blister on his foot, came hom,e covered in campfire soot! Okay, I didn't start out planning to rhyme, but it ended up that way. Alot of fun stuff will get you a lawsuit fast from people who live the motto of : "It's always somebody else's fault!"