Scoutfish

A bloodknot is my go to fave for when I'm fishing. Didn't even think of that one. I also use a "Rapala Knot" which is what Rapala lure company calls a bowline knot on the back of their lure boxes. But it works great when you want a fishing lure to *walk* in the water.

A bloodknot is my go to fave for when I'm fishing. Didn't even think of that one. I also use a "Rapala Knot" which is what Rapala lure company calls a bowline knoiw on the back of their lure boxes. But it works great when you want a fishing lure to *walk* in the water.

Merlyn Are you talking about BSA or thinking BSI ( Boy Scouts International)? Because BSA is an AMERICAN group. Or did you think it mean Boy Scouts ALL over? I'm sure the MP of Uganda doesn't care what any AMERICAN group thinks wether BSA, Mary Kay, ACC, NFL,IRL, WKRP, NCAA, IRS or DEA. And let me ask you: What are you doing about it other than crying about what you think BSA ought to do about it? (Translation- your are not doing anything except pointing out that somebody else isn't doing anything!) Kinda reminds me of a saying concerning a pot, a kettle and the color black.

"What you're forgettin' is that da folks who actually need the rules never read 'em. If you're the sort of fellow who would tie his alligator to the fire hydrant, then yeh sure aren't going to be the sort of fellow who is goin' to read all the city ordinances. " Yeah, but when I go to stop that fella..I can point to rule X as to why he can't, instead of just saying "You can't do that because .....you just cant!" Then if he doesn't like the rules.. he can sit out or leave. Rules don't prevent stupid people or leaders... but the rules can reel them in and stop a potential accident. Otherwise, we wouldn't need the rules in the first place right? You and I don't need them,and the dummys don't read them. Why bother with them right? So do they have a "sign" badge? You know the one Bill Engvall talked about! LOL! "Hey y'all, looky here now.... I got my sign badge. Let's staple it to my shirt! Nah.. I don't need to take my shirt off!" As much as I hate to say it.. I wouldn't mind watching that just for the laughs!

By having that patch, I meant that I am proud because i took the time to learn. I hate when I type something and just assume everybody might understand what I'm thinking. The patch itself is just that...a piece of cloth. But it shows that I took the time to get prpoer training and learn the right thing to do. Kinda like my firefighter patches. I worked hard for and earned them. They were just pieces of cloth, but they stood for what I learned, what I could do and the knowledge I recieved. By having that trained patch.... It means I took classes that (hopefully) will let me be part of and help build a great programm for the boys in my pack. That make more sense?

It's sad we have to have the rules. I grant you that. But It would be sadder to not have them and lose a scout, sibling or parent because of accident or injury that could have been prevented due to some simple training. Besides... maybe the guy who owns that alligator will decide not to lead once he realizes that he is expected to follow those rules

Beahvah..i totally agree with you! I wouldn't (if i had that authority) put "that kind of person" in a leadership position to start with. but if your group of volunteers are that "kind" of person, and the regular parents just don't know better...them rules might just come in handy. Now, the council might only be looking at lawsuits and money side of things..and that's fine and dandy with me. But as a parent who might not know better ( in the case of BB guns - I didn't), and thinks leadership actually knows what is going on.... I am glad for those rules. Case in point: I might not have a pet alligator. You might, but keep him in the pond where he belongs. Both of our sons spend the night with a 3rd friend who's dad just happens to be the idiot who sees nothing wrong with tying his alligator to a hydrant. So i don't need the rule, you don't need the rule, but luckily for us, the rule protected our sons , plus who knows who else too! That's why I'm glad for those rules!

When it comes to training......aren't you proud of that "trained" patch? Doesn't it fill you with a bit of self worth? Now, I'm not saying that I want to collect traing certificates on my wall. I'm not endorsing collecting training certificates just to see how many you can collect, But I don't understand why any leader wouldn't want to be trained. Granted, I'm faily new to (cub) scouting, but as this is my second year as a parent and my first as a ADL, I can hardly wait til this Sat to start my BALOO class. Then I have to wait til April for my leader essentials and leader specific training. I suppose I'll go for Wood Badge , one day if it's practical ( right now,I don't see why it wouldn't be ) , then frmo there, I'll play it by ear. But I will say one thing..I'll be proud as can be when I sew that "TRAINED" patch on my uniform shirt! Your thoughts?

Ooops! My bad, I meant www.scouting.org

"I am curious. How do i check my own training records on scout.net??????" Not sure about scout.net, but you should be able to go to BSA (bsa.org) and check your records with your BSA id number. You may have to create a profile, but after typing in your info along with your id #..you can then go to training and see what you have.

"More to the point, any decent SE will let folks blather on a bit if that's what it takes to make 'em feel better, but then steer 'em in a more productive direction. " All right, the gig is up! (I'm pulling out my unercover badge!) LOL! Beavah....Are you suggesting that I patronize council, then carry on in a normal same manner? Surely you jest not! LOL! I completely agree with that line of thinking, and I am so glad to hear somebody say it. Except the dad's who bring "camp punch" for after scouts are asleep!

So if these parents had a son in scouting......do you suppose they'd convince him to go for Eagle rank while still a first year Webelos?

Vigil36, No, the chief of a scout board did not propose this law. A high ranking government offical WHO JUST HAPPENS TO BE a chief scout, proposed this law. Do not confuse the two~! Scouts do not make laws for countries. I am a Sr Field supervisor/ quality Control/ trainer/ installer for my garage door company. Sometimes in my line of work, I have to deal with customers who blatently and very obviously damaged their doors and tried to blame it on us and get a free warranty/repair sevice. I have to call them out on thie lie! I have to argue with them and tell them NO WAY! I have to call them out! I also just happen to be a ADL too. But I am not an ADL that calls people in the public liars! As an ADL, I do not install doors or seperate abusive homeowners from true warranty calls. When I'm on the clock, I am a garage door installer who works withing my companies rules and regulations and under good buisness guidlines, and state and federal laws.. I try to make sure that the quality of work I do is above what I'd want for myself. I treat every customer as if they were the most important customer in the world. But I do not work as an ADL. I leave that for when I'm not working. A "MP" ( I'm thinking it was supposed to be Prime Minister?) Is just that- a prime minister, As great and noble as scouting is... It does not dictate government. Granted, I think it's wrong on so many levels for him to even think what he's proposing. I do not condone it at all ( nor the bias or predjudice either). But that still does not mean BSA has any right, buisnes or calling to say anything. Lest we want any group from any country calling us out...including those who absolutely know it is sinfull fro women to drive, work,, go to school or even show their faces. Maybe they might tells us how wrong we are for letting some religions even exist in America or tell us that some races have no rigts at all! Do you care what they think? Do you want to listen? Do you think they should even speak to us? NOPE! Wouldn't matter if they did! It would matter no more than if I called him and said he better not push that law because my mom said so! Besides, we let our scouting run under "our country's" religious guidelines and suggestions. That's what they are doing too. Not saying I like it or condone it, but I recognize it. So what does BSA have to say to a government offical of another country- when it concerns that countries laws? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!

Any favorite knots out there? Jsst some rambling on my part. Right now, I'm STILL trying to get my son to get a handle on tying his shoes. he's nine years old and does know how to tie them, but just doesn't put in much effort. He goes through the motions, but the knots are loose at best. His mom practically reties his shoes each morning and them puts in a double knot to keep them tied all day. I stopped tying his shoes. I told him that I'm not doing it any more! I feel like he should have mastered this years ago. My son says that they come loose when he ties them and he just keeps tying them over and over all day long. I say GOOD! It means he's getting practice . I told him that if he actually tried a little harder and gave half an effort more, he might tie them tight enough to last all day. SO. I used to be a volunteer fire fighter/rescue/water rescue man. Knots, knots, knots! Used them all the time. Our fav's were becket bend, half hitch, sheeps bend and clove hitch. On rare occasion, we might even use a square knot, but I really can't remember when. We also used what we called a "Docking knot" which isn't a knot but a constantly inverted loop over a dock bolister to keep a boat from drifting away. Anyways, (this is where it all ties in together) during one of my firefighter classes where we were learning some of these knots... a fellow student complained and said to the instructor that he might have to skip the knot part because it was just to damn hard to learn. This is what the instructor said: "What knot is the hardest to tie?" The student said something about one of the knots. Our instructor said that he was wrong! He said there was this one knot that almost everybody had trouble tying. It took a long time to learn and it was sooooo agrrivating to learn that some of us broke down into tears over it. Then he went on to say that we all knew how to tie that knot without even thinking about it. We could do it in the dark, behind our backs and possibly with just one hand. Sometimes we did it without even knowing we were tying that knot. What was that knot? A standard shoelace knot! Yeah, we looked at learning how to tie knots differently after that too!

LOL! I just realized you had two similar, but different posts. In the other, I commented: It really is a tough call and depends on your particular activity. We did the scouting for food. This can easily be considered a citizenship activity, but likewise, we can cout our citizenship activities towards Good Turn for America too. But then you have my son, who in the last 2 1/2 months finished enough requirements and electives to recieve his Bear badge as well as a gold and silver arrow points. If we were working on an achievement and completed the required 5 out of 7, we can not use the other two as elective requirements NOR can we count the activities used as requirements as electives at the same time. So, pretty much.. it depends on what you are doing!

It really is a tough cal and depends on your particular activity. We did the scouting for food. This can easily be considered a citizenship activity, but likewise, we can cout our citizenship activities towards Good Turn for America too. But then you have my son, who in the last 2 1/2 months finished enough requirements and electives to recieve his Bear badge as well as a gold and silcer arrow points. If we were working on an achievement and completed the required 5 out of 7, we can not use the other two as elective requirements NOR can we count the activities used as requirements as electives at the same time. So, pretty much.. it depends on what you are doing!

JoeBob, I am a fond beleiver in Darwinism and natural selection at work. I just don't want the candidate for the Darwin Award dragging my son ( or myself) with him/her. Know what I mean?

Well, don't bash too much training just yet. You ever see a mom or dad dropp off his 8 year old daughter or son with her/his two other 8 yrear old best friends at a movie theatre - and tell the kids that they will be back in a couple hours? Well,they did leave a cel phone in case of an emergency! Yeah, those parents might also think scouting would be a great activity for jr. And since scouting, the big ole woods and nature al go hand in hand, why not give the 8 or 9 boys a couiple shotguns and rifles and tell them you'll be back to camp in a couple hours ? Sounds crazy right? Or does it. Now stop and think of all your years in scouting. Did you ever se a parent or even a group of parents that made you wonder if their kids survived into adulthood? When those parents think about becoiming adult leaders..that's why their is training! Now look at yourself. Look at those parents. Then realize that there are about 20 different levels between the two of you. And that's why their is specific training and standards instead of just "having it"! See, I am an ADL that (as a parent) helped teach a BB gun course at a pack campout. No,,, I had no idea it wasn't allowed. I do now though. Matter of fact, I'm taking BALOO in 2 days. Now imagine that shotgun dad. Suppose he brings a shotgun to a pack campout? Granted, followed the safety rules , but only failed to realize BB guns can't be done on a pack level campout instead of council. Shotguns and rifles? Never would have comnsidered it...But... Just saying,.... those kind of people are out there !

Sounds a bit too much to me. Does that mean a scout needs to get mom and dad on the phone if he calls the SM to say he will be late or unable to make a meeting? What if SM calls to talk to a parent and the scout just happens to answer the phone? Does the SM hang up or what? He could easily say anything at that time!

Well..the way you asked it, you could record it as both since each one (req and elec) list two different activities. This isn't getting into college or National Honor society. The whole program is about the kids doing stuff. But at the same time,. try to make sure you are not teaching the Cubs to look for the easiest way to cut corners..IE: Cutting grass is not landscaping AND outdoor activity, AND environment AND gardening AND LNT and Physics(engine). See what I mean. Some things can easily be broken into many different activities in one, but others are just one activity.

Depends. What exactly do you mean by two awards? If one single activity is done...such as you help buld a house, then whan you use it, you have used it. But as some have shown above..If you go to a park, and clean it up, then have lunch and clean it completely ( under LNT) then go hiking after ward around the park... I see 3 different activities in one event.

In the Bear Cub Handbook ( for example) ELECTIVE 6 : AIRCRAFT Elective 6-d " Build and fly a model airplane.( You may use a kit.Every time you do this differently, it counts as a conpleted project.)" So, the way I understand it, if you build the exact same model each time...it doesn't count, but build different models, it counts. I guess doing it differently expands your knowledge and horizons. BUT.... Elective 6-g: "Build and display a scale model airplane. You may use a kit or build it from scratch. Again, as I understand it, this is not a flying model. You only get credit once even if you builf ten models. So as for your question: Yes and no. Depends on what it is and what you did. You can go on a pack family campout and earn a bunch of stuff under one big event. Camping, many many beltloops, and complete alot or requirements at the same time, without compromising the quality of the activity or award/badge/pin/beltloop. I wouldn't watch my son fix a hotdog for a friend at Scout Sunday and try to write it up under community service, cooking, planning a meal, etc all at the same time. I'd say that since you asked, you pretty much knew the answer, but was just looking for clarification under BSA's sometimes "double speak" rules!

Why should BSA say anything? This is not a scouting rule.This is a "propposed law?" in another country. An American youth organazation has nothing to say about foriegn countries laws..even if stupid and wrong in our eyes! What does BSA say about China's laws on the number of children you can have? What does BSA say about the treatment of women in Iraq? What does BSA say about anything that is the result of other countries laws? Nothing! They may not agree, or they may agree, but that's about it! The dude just happens to also be a chief of a scout group, but it's not the scout group making the laws.

I used to donate blood every time the red cross came to the high school I attended. Of course, I did it for other reasons: We get out of the class of our choice, and still get credit for attending that class. No brainer for math or english III. I still gavre blood on occasion untilmy cancer prevented it. The cancer is gone, but the restriction isn't. An award? Nah. A BSA collar pin (kinda like what the red cross gives out) ..why not?

24. First let me say that this is MY feelings about it. Swimming is a very important part of scouting. And we have toi think about what scouting is, and maybe even the definition of a scout in general. Basically, scouts are people who go through all kinds of terrainand environmenst. We go through the woods, over the rivers and stay away from grandma's house! It about outdoors and "rougfhing it". NOw, I would not expect a person with a disability that can pretty much handle all other aspects of scouting to be held back, but at the same time, it's part of what scouting is. Kinda like saying an astronuaght is afraid of space or submariner afraid of tight places. Maybe they could get an exemption during a part of their training, but they will never be able toi handle their job or achieve advancement. Hard to be a cop ifv your afraid of guns! S