RichardB

On 1/25/2020 at 7:05 PM, ShootingSports said:

I am pretty sure this is listed as a prohibited activity. Non-motorized ride in a glider for Scouts BSA youth?

To the original post:

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b

Flying—use of hang gliders, ultralights, experimental aircraft, or nontethered hot-air balloons, or flying in an aircraft as part of a search-and-rescue mission (exceptions: transportation to Scouting events by commercial airlines; flying or tethered hot-air balloon flights following completion of the Flying Plan Checklist )

See the flying plan checklist, variables include airworthiness of craft and pilot qualifications.    

To the others, please don't put participants or yourself in the position of risk.   

On 1/4/2020 at 10:09 PM, 5thGenTexan said:

Is there any reason why the Lions and Tigers can not participate in this?

Age Appropriateness?   https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/HealthSafety/pdf/680-685.pdf

Your scope of operation as a CHO is limited to that which the council health supervisor determines.    That is who you need to reach out to.   

@RememberSchiff Nice summary.   

Day Hikes are age appropriate.   

What you propose is most likely not age appropriate, unless you have council designation of the site.   Otherwise this is prohibited.     

16 hours ago, ShootingSports said:

Is prohibited.....https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b #9 7th item.  Wonder what they would say about the wind tunnels that allow you to practice?

https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2019/06/06/soar-toward-a-new-stem-nova-award-with-ifly/

I'd also add in here is the instructor syllabus for BALOO:  https://i9peu1ikn3a16vg4e45rqi17-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/510-03318-BALOO_web.pdf

While there are several uses of the term overnight in the document I'd point to Appendix MM.  The Sample Pack Camping Agenda modeling the program.   

On 10/14/2019 at 1:11 PM, walk in the woods said:

 

Does overnighter mean just one night?  

It's a yes or no question.  So, how bout you add some value and answer it.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overnighter an overnight trip

It does have as the root word https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overnight

Examples of overnight in a Sentence

To the OP:  https://www.scouting.org/resources/insignia-guide/

Use of Uniform

The official uniforms are intended primarily for use in connection with official Scouting activities, and their use may be approved by the local council executive board for council events or activities under conditions consistent with the Rules and Regulations of the Boy Scouts of America. No alteration of, or additions to, the official uniforms, as described in the official guidelines or the Rules and Regulations covering the wearing of the uniform and the proper combinations thereof on official occasions, may be authorized by any Scouting official or local council.

If you opt out or have a bad email (or block email.scoutingwire.org) you wont get Scouting Wire.   

@Eagle94-A1 was no change in policy.   More effective communication would be my analysis. 

Et al, do you really want to have a definition of overnight in Pack Overnighters?   Asking for a friend.  Just saying, on one hand, this thread says national changes the rules,  on the other a call for more definition.    Which is it?

RichardB

To the best of my knowledge there has been no policy change related to Cub camping.   Cub "overnight" camping by program design is limited to Council Organized Family Camps OR Pack Overnighters (At Council appraised and designated locations).    

BALOO training covers this.    There is a requirement for BALOO trained leaders on Cub campouts.   Have you been to BALOO?  Did the course follow the syllabus?  

Webelos may camp as a den outside the Pack structure.    If the Scouts BSA Camporee is being run / conducted as designed, it would not be age appropriate for Cubs to do anything but observe.  Again, this is not a change.     

Source:   https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss03/ - which has been previously linked but you all might wish to review again.   

Please do not put yourself or youth at risk.   

RichardB

Some recently launched Cub Scout resources:   

https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/preview-adventures/

https://www.scouting.org/programs/cub-scouts/preview-adventures/protect-yourself-rules/

@PACAN I'd call your attention to the actual document you quoted as an incident review it's not a compliance document, just pointing out what a safe surface consists of.     Since this obviously has moved you to action, we encourage you to share these lessons within your area of influence.    They are just one of the many tools offered to get the word out about safety of participants in the Scouting program.       

@Eagle94-A1 nice catch on the publications.   The offending file you identified has been terminated.   Thanks.   

16 hours ago, PACAN said:

RichardB  I saw someone post this on facebook

Please explain incident #4  https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/incident-report/incident-reviews/gaga-ball/     It says the mulch or sand much be 2 FEET in depth in the pit.  Pits are almost always made with 3 2x10" boards so you would only have 6 inches inside the pit????

Also another person posted a book on Scout Games written by a Scout Exec in Hartford in the 1920s listing Dodge Ball as one of the allowed games...any record on when this was changed?

 

Just because you saw it on FB (most likely Talk about Scouting) doesn't mean it makes sense.     The pit sits on top of the mulch or sand right base.   Good to know we have folks quoting 1920's literature.  Back in those days Scoutmasters were licensed to teach what was in the handbook.  No more, no less.   Times were simple back then.     Was also about the time camp standards came into play.   

And the FAQ's that go with the above - suggest you review as well.    

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/prohibited-activities-faqs/

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/toc/ has been updated.

August

• Activity Planning and Risk Assessment Added Prohibited Activities section to replace Unauthorized and Restricted Activities section.

https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss07/#b is the direct link to the revised section.   Please note the hosted pdf will be updated on or about 10/1.  

RichardB

You all might want to read up to give you a little more background on PTC history and impact.  https://www.amazon.com/Other-Side-Road-Philmont-Training/dp/1427643792  

 @John-in-KC should probably worry, because I'm totally aligned with him on his last comment.    It really would be good to understand what is being offered before you comment.   

My kiddos really enjoyed the training center family program, including the excursions into the backcountry and the living history of the area.     I would certainly recommend taking advantage of the Family Adventure Camp next summer if you and your family need to get away.  You don't have to take a class, you can just enjoy the programs offered.   

@John-in-KC Mafia is for folks north of the Red River.......

Anyway, Scouting participants don't need to be in the occupational world, there is however a subsidiary called Learning for Life that has a Career Exploring program.....https://www.exploring.org/

There are a couple of tools for service projects already available to help plan.   

Service Project Planning Guidelines, No. 680-027  
A checklist to help you plan that next service project. Includes reference to the Age Guidelines for Tool Use and Work at Elevations or Excavations below.

Age Guidelines for Tool Use and Work at Elevations or Excavations, No. 680-028 
An at-a-glance reference for service projects. The use of tools, by any youth or adult, requires training in the proper use of those tools before a project starts. It also requires continuous, qualified adult supervision and discipline during the project. Manufacturers’ literature and age and skill restrictions shall supersede the recommendations in the publication. If there is a conflict, leaders shall follow the most restrictive guidelines. Another good reference that contains state-specific guidance is www.youthrules.gov .

Currently looking at revisions to the above, if you have constructive comments or mark ups feel free to send them to the health.safety@scouting.org mailbox if you would like them considered.   

@Eagledad there are several examples in current posts talking about what has happened when supervision wasn't present.  And yes, you always have a choice on how you will react or respond.  

@Parkman @walk in the woods just a couple of questions / thoughts.   First, is there a market for a youth serving organization to place kids outdoors without supervision?  What would that look like?    Do you anticipate Mom is going to run out and sign up Timmy or Tammy to pay for this as a service?  What are the expected outcomes?   Second, perhaps instead of blaming youth serving organizations for taking a stand on supervision as a core requirement / expectation - might reflect on how that came to be (study history, delivery methods, failure modes).     Third, aren't organizations now held to a higher standard of care when other peoples kids are involved?   

Even the example given above, the parents have had the authorities in their life on more than one occasion on how they treated their own kids.  How many volunteers that you know would want to weather that storm?   

Again, this won't work within the BSA structure.    But let us know how it goes with your kids.    

Shouldn't the title of this post be "Can you deliver the patrol method to your Scouts?"   What is in the way of doing that?   Do you need something more? If so what do you think that is? 

 I'm really interested in what resources (BSA Handbook, troop training, etc.) you are using now, and what else you feel is needed from the leaders perspective.