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It may have been a member of the 1980 Hockey team. The previews for "Miracle" contain a scene with that happening, though that may have just been added for dramatic affect or something.

After having viewed the presentation at the Federalist Society on the Wyman case I wonder what impact, if any, it would have on the San Diego case. It seems it very well could, because a decision in favor of BSA would largerly require all charitable groups to be treated on with neutrality, irregardles of expressive behavior. That would mean that BSA would have to have the same opportunity as other charities, but that it couldn't be given privlidges above those available to others. The case with the berth for the Sea Scouts would also seem to be impacted in the same way. I am constantly

That is interesting, I had never heard of that site before. I guess BSA wants info to be publicily available but not highly publicised. The counter suite makes sense, especially if it is limited to mainting the lease. After all, the council has a very large investment made in that piece of property. They would have to be fools to give it up without a fight. On the other hand they may have been better off trying to negotiate a new lease rather than fighting a very public legal battle. (Though some of what I have read indicates the ACLU might file again if some new lease, even under re

But that was SEVEN YEARS AGO. You may as well bring up something from the ancient days of BP.

This has nothing to do with tents, other than an evaluation of summer camping conditions in a few select places. Kentucky is certainly a hot and humid place for summer camping. (Roy C Manchester anyone?) Though I must say the interior areas in the panhandle of Florida are worse. (Wallwood) The absolute worste I have ever experienced was a KOA campground in Alabama that was surrounded by what could best be describe as a minor swamp. I conce thought summer camping was a miserable thing until I went to Philmont and discovered the cooler mountain temperatures and low humidity.

On second thought something like a standing rib roast may be a better choice for holding the lines on the fly. Maybe even a couple of live cows wold even work. Most steaks just don't weigh enough to do the job.

That is interesting information about the OA and exploring. I really should read the OA history some time. That would probably shead light on some of these old questions. I do wonder if the Exploring program of old was similar enough to current Venturing for any real comparisons to be made. It seems from what I have ever heard Exploring was a Scouting program for older youth. It had the same rank advancement options as Boy Scout Troops and a few extra awards. I do wonder if Exploring at that time carried out a program similar enough to the Troops that it would include such things as summ

After having read the COD info I wonder about how well a few of the elements would work. It seem to be mostly a unit based program. While that makes starting it eaiser, it makes me wonder if it really qualifies as a true honor society. It seems more like an honorary award rather than membership in an organized society. I could be wrong, and it may even be that such a loosely organized unit based program would work best for Venturing. OA did after all start as a summer camp based program, and Venturing doesn't really have such a close connection with summer camp. There also doesn't seem t

Anyone looking for a top down approach to this issue is asking for trouble. The only way this will ever work well is buttom up. That is how OA got started. It was created at one camp by two men. It took decades for it to become a fully integrated part of the national program. That was after it had already been adopted by a couple hundred camps on one of the co-founders and become national director of program. Follow the example of Dr. Goodman. Do your homework and try something locally. The level of youth leadership in Venturing indicates higher levels of youth involvement may be n

Uniforming is probably the center of so much attention because it is the most visible and easiest to judge the 8 methods. This is particularly true amung adults. It is easy to see which adults embrace uniforming. It is harder to see which ones embrace the others. It is also true that those that follow/use one method are more likely to use the others. That doesn't mean that someone out of uniform is ignorring all 8 methods, but it indicates they are ignoring at least one. Generally I would say wearing the uniform has little relation to the ability of someone to carry out any technical req

I had a lengthy commentary based on this written, but I decided it would do neither you nor me any good to post it. So instead I would suggest viewing the presentation.

I must say Bob's example of the council checking the signatures seems unlikely to me. I have signed on a number of advancement forms, and no one ever asked a question of it or told the troop to fix itself. I have been asked to serve on several BORs because no one else was available. (This included no one else being available within a reasonable time period.) There was one occasion when a BOR was scheduled (same night as a meeting) for a Scout's advancemnt. The BOR members didn't show. Only the CC did. The choice was deny the BOR the Scout had been promised, or have a Board consisting of

Bob, you are correct for the most part, but patch companies, like everyone else, sometimes use different systems from company to company. I know that some companies do charge based on number of colors. Most companies I know of allow approx. seven colors in the base price, then extra for more. I do know of companies that have no color limit, and other that charge per color, starting with one. This may be a rip off, but that is what some do. The type of edging or border on the patch is another major issue. There are several types of edging that can cost extra, and cut edge borders are

I have to agree with Fuzzy Bear- If you want cheap a tarp or piece of canvas, two upright center poles, lots of good rope, and good steaks will work wonderfully, if set up properly. I would suggest running a rope in place of a center cross piece rather than just stretching the tarp, that will relieve some stress on the gromets. Just make certain everything is steaked out very well and it will hold up for most weather. Now for a more durable option my troop has two very nice dining flies. They are an older BSA canvas tarp (larger than current ones I think, and certainly heavier canva

The following lacks proper grammer, punctuation, or any rational organization. polymer external frame pack (can't be destroyed, no sharp things to cut tent) one burner Coleman fuel stove- great cooker, more heat output in most conditions than standard propane stoves, good for outdoor cookout back home when you need one extra burner for the fried potatos or what not Coleman Peak 1 mummy bag- 8 years old, poorly cared for, but still works leather Philmont belt real swiss army knives... from Switzerland (if its from China burry it, don't risk someone else thinki

I am glad this thread came up. I am thinking of buying a new tent, one capable of backpacking. I really haven't decided what my exact needs are, though I have started browsing tents from time to time. I do know the Eurekas are good tents, but I think they may over do it a bit for the level of use I expect. Though a Timberline 2 would probably be OK. (I really like the size and durability of the Outfitter 4, but those weight too much for most packpacking.) I am also timpted by some of the bivy shelters and other small one man tents I have seen, though I haven't ever used one, and I do

I went to Philmont in 2001. At the start of the trek my pack weighed about 45lbs fully loaded. I was one of the larger youth on the trek at then 190lbs. (180 upon arriving home after the trip) My crew gear consisted of 3 Coleman fuel backpacking stoves of 2 differnt types, a set of maps, and a notepad. The stoves were fully fueled whenever possible. Each was placed in a ziploc, and then a soft carry case to prevent damage to other items in my pack. I was somewhat heavy on personal gear since I had the following extras: Bible GPS instruction manual GPS reciever extra eati

I didn't see the entire half time show. However what of it I have seen was in very poor taste. It was not the sort of thing I would want children (I don't have any, so we will go with my young niece and nephew) seeing. Some of the comercials were also less than optimal for children, but not nearly so objectionable. The real problem wasn't the halftime show, it is that things like that, and the message it sends, have become main stream entertainment in America. If all one did is pay attention to the TV and movies, (other than Fox News, certain MSNBC programs, and a hand full of other media

There could certainly be a secular purpose in a brief teaching on creationism in science class (though that does not mean it would be tought as true science, though there are at least a few real scientists that support creationism, most are not widely accepted). For one thing all research and teaching on science was for many years based on creationist principals. Creationism was accepted as truth. It is only in the last 200 years that alternative theories supported by evidence have begun to emerge. Therefore creationism could be taught as a belief upon which some early science was based.

Carter I would have taken a couple of years ago, but lately he has been making some very harsh speaches and comments. (Everything from hinting that Bush isn't a real Christian to attacking the war in ways that the French haven't even thought of.) Maybe if Carter gets done blowing off his steam he would be a good speaker again, but now he is a bit out their for most audiences, even though most still respect him as a good man. Maybe everyone secretly thinks he is just getting old, I don't know. The previous Bush wouldn't be bad, except for the fact his son is the current sitting pres

I don't really have a problem with North as a speaker. However, he would need to tread lightly on the partisan politics. (That doesn't mean the subject is off limits. Anyone that knows who he is well enough to buy tickets to a speaking event would expect at least a little bit of politics.) I would also want to make certain that he supports the values of the BSA. Does that mean his life has to be a perfect example of living the Oath and Law? No. Does that mean a public confession is required for any past mistakes? No, not in my book. I have made plenty of mistakes that I have not publi

Most people seem to forget this, but in 1997 regime change became the law of the land in regards to relations with Iraq. Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act and it was signed into law by President Clinton. The reasons for that were Saddam's human rights record, history of aggression, non-compliance with UN resolutions, breaking the gulf war cease-fire agreement, and the continued threat to the region and world he posed by his actions and is personal instability/unpredictability. Developement of WMD was also part of the reason. During the Clinton adminstration there were a series of

My troop is going to Philmont this summer. Currently I am not part of the group going, though I would certainly love to. It is quite likely that one guy may drop because of a trip to Europe, and another because of a broken leg. That could open up a slot, but unfortunately I will have to make alternative plans well before I am ever asked to go to with the troop. So I am now trying to make my own plans for the summer. I currently am looking at these posibilities: summer camp staff OA Trail Crew OA Wilderness Voyage Philmont staff NOAC contingent NOAC staff I think I co

I would have some concerns about members of a BOR not being in uniform. Committee members may, and should, wear the uniform. Those on the BOR certainly should since they are working directly with youth in a way that makes them a potential positive/negative example. Another concern would be how well aware of the Scouting program is some one who doesn't understand it well enough to wear the uniform. Generally speaking most of those that don't wear the uniform are unfamiliar with the way Scouting works. Those same people may be great at balancing the troop check book, or ordering material fo

Well, FOG, you know just because something hasn't happened is no reason to think it might not. You never can tell when there may be a freak accident with the laser tag equipment. Something like a bolt a lightening coming through the building, hitting the laser device while someone is trying to tag someone, causing a power surge, and vaporizing the poor victim instead of tagging them; is just the sort of thing that BSA must protect us from.