johndaigler

As long as this project doesn't have some kind of hidden rquirement to it...it sounds like fun. If there's some implied "do this if you want to keep meeting here" thing, then I'd be mighty upset if I were TigerDad. Parents or staff would definitely need to prep the place and teach the boys "how", but after that . . . just wear clothes you won't ever need again and those cool white painter's hat and have at it!!!! Try to involve as many different colors as you can!!!! This service project could be the talk of the community for YEARS!!!! jd(This message has been edited by johndai

Ambana - Please be sure to let the District/Council know why you are changing Packs -- And please take with you as many kids/families as you can!!!!!!!!!! None of us are perfect, but the mean-spirited chaos you've been describing insults and damages us all. Thanks for your clear thinking and help! jd

Welcome Spiney!! Lake County (Northeast IL Council)sends its best!!! jd What DOES Eamonn rhyme with???? You've been letting me mispronounce it for months!!!!!!!!!

There's so much in your post that it's hard to focus. CMs firing DLs??? I have no doubt there's much more here than I've understood. But aiming at the most obvious issue: your health and the misunderstanding that exists around you. Would you be able to gather the appropriate leaders including this CM and some district personnel and have them meet your doctor so that they might gain an understanding of your condition and how that does/does not impact your work with boys. It might be Monday morning QBing, but this was probabl

For starters, I would suggest losing the whole "prankster" MO.

Welcome, Cajuncody!!!! And Good luck!!!!! It's great that you understand you're jumping into the deep end of the pool --- but, it's even better that you're thinking clearly enough to proactively look around for help!!!! This is a great place for questions and answers!!!!!! Keep coming back -- not only will you find a great deal of help, but you'll be helping others, too!! There are a lot of non-posting readers, so even when only a few Scouters get involved in a conversation, MANY are impacted by it. Be sure to read all the CUB related threads just to keep up and learn tons of stuff y

foto, I know I'm late to this party, but . . . I found everyone's ideas interesting, especially yours. Below, I pulled your words from your posts. It's not the best way, but messageboards are difficult tools to use for problem solving. It seems to me that you don't feel you have the rules on your side, you just feel strongly this boy(and his family, since Cubs don't make too many of their own life choices) have crossed some invisible "quitter" line. You appear to say that you're tired of going the extra mile for this boy. That you've given more than your fair share. I

Sorry Blaze, Apparently, you're only PARTIALLY here!!!

NY and IL say . . . CONGRATS!!!!!!! SUPER EFFORT!!!! WELL DONE!!!!! and, THANK YOU!!!! - to Son, Dad, Press, and all the others involved!!!! Thanks for sharing your success with us and for making all our uniforms shine a little bit brighter today!!!!!!!!! jd

OGE, It was tons of fun, I'm surprised there haven't been more old fogies (foggies?) trying their hand. two minor suggestions: If there will be adults in the audience, do you want to throw them a mental music bone or two to get their minds engaged on that level. In truth, I recognized most of the names you used, but wouldn't recognize specific music from many of the groups. . .Now, if you had been able to use Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, I would have been able to joyfully travel down that nostalgic path! Is it possible that you did such a good job of using band names th

Be happy that you're "very involved parents" are, and put 'em to work!!!!!! You don't like numbers and paperwork?? Find one who does! Use your resources; let others share their talents. Keep reading handbooks, manuals and help books, and keep asking questions!!!! Be patient with the learning curve -- theirs and yours. Chances are, you'll have higher expectations for yourself than others will have for you, or than you will have for others. Don't stress yourself out, worrying about the spots where you are less than you want to be, most of the time others doesn't notice anyway! C

Awww, c'mon, OGE, That's for the BYRDS!! Man does not live on BREAD alone!!!! Diversity rules!!! This is AMERICA, there's no QUEEN here - we got choices!!! I am so close to confessing to my John Denver, Bobby Goldsboro days that it truly frightens me!!!!!!! Rock On, OGE, you are way to cutting edge for me!!!! I had to ask my son about half those names!!!! jd

It doesn't look like your in KANSAS anymore, TOTO. I'm surprised you left out the flying MONKEES!!!!!!!

In times of crises, whether it's natural like the hurricanes, or human, like the school hostage situation in Russia does the BSA ever involve itself by sending aid or support of some type?? I know local Scouts and Scouters often are among the first to offer assistance when others need help. Someone posted a great example last week with a news article about the many scouts drove across FLA to help. Does National participate? What about events in other countries? I certainly don't know if any of the hurt or killed Russian children were Scouts {there are several Scouting orgs. ov

I know johndaigler swore off this thread and he doesn't like bending rules (well, actually he's rather comfortable bending rules when it makes sense in the name of children, and other good causes . . .) or going back on his implied agreements, so I borrowed his keyboard . . . Laurie, Get the men to participate, but don't back completely out of the process. Sounds like the world around you needs to be reassured by involving the men, but those same people also need to see the men cooperating with you, accepting you as a team member, and respecting you and your contribution.

Thanks, Terry, that all makes a lot of sense. At first, I thought closing the thread was a bit heavy-handed, but I understand a bit better now. jd

Rooster - Finally, on your last point, you're right! "Peace" between us is the best answer for now. jd Laurie, sorry for helping to take the thread so far astray. I'll stick by my original post, that: gender is less significant than qulaity of program. I think if you just keep demonstrating that, the boys will return in numbers to bring back your confidence!! Good Luck!! FScouter, Your mythical example doesn't work, unles

Super! FScouter, maybe YOU can help me!!!!! What's the difference?????? jd

One of the problems of believing in gender-based attributes is the self-fulfilling prophecy of culture training. We believe women work well (better than men) with little children, so we believe women make great ELEMENTARY teachers, so we train them to act like elementary teachers, so when we see women working well with children as elementary teachers we validate to ourselves that women work well with children. Historically speaking, the feminization of teaching in the US occurred as a direct result of the Civil War. Men teachers were in short supply, women filled the role. Previous t

I also agree. The thread shouldn't be locked. Even though, I know that I can't offer any suggestions that haven't already been better thought out by more experienced knowledgeable Scouters -- and, even if the chances of being any real help are slim, I think the thread and comments are important for several reasons. 1)We all know this could happen to someone dear to us. I'm overwhelmed with affection and pride at the supportive responses and ideas that all these Scouters are offering up -- as if this was their own Scout - or son. You can tell that if it were practical, many of th

Though no New Yorker is going wish they were from Texas,(CC!) we all wish you a warm welcome here!!!! With all those jobs how do you have time to post????????????

Hi, Carol, Sure, I agree with parents being the key role model. I'm just wondering where we go to show them additional role models. ?? As parents, we are who we are. In most families, we're the ones who offer our children most of what they will become. Still, our kids will benefit from being exposed to others who can demonstrate and offer Different experiences. They'll certainly need to relate to, and in fact, work with, fall in love with, grow old with, etc. people who aren't us. I'm sorry, did I imply you said women couldn't lead? I didn't mean for you to read anything like th

Hey Rooster - your deep sigh made me laugh out loud!!!!! 80) I can't believe you're dissin' poor ol' Bella's good memory!!!! I'm not surprised, but I can't believe it!!! Well, all right, I could have predicted it, but I just can't believe it!!! And, I suppose, you're going to tell me you didn't like her hats, too!!! Ok, so neither of us is afraid. That SHOULD make it easier to talk to each other. I never said there was something wrong with being a man -- what I've been saying is that it's not enough. I don't get that there are significant differences between men a

E- Wouldn't it be a big jump for someone to hold it against this guy because he's looking to buy a house and share expenses with a friend? Isn't it funny (or, sad!) that a few years ago we'd have been upset if he was "living with" a woman friend -- now, we're tempted to be relieved???? On the other hand, I don't like those little beards, either!!! I vote for watching and picking your spots. Everbody is going to have to learn new roles, new relationships and how to work together -- they won't do that if you start "meddling". Give them the space and respect you'd expect for y

Can we agree with Eamonn that: "A good leader is a good leader, and a bad leader is a bad leader, it makes no difference if they are male or female." ??? We keep using phrases like "strong male role model" and "man of character". Is it necessary to be gender specific with these??? Rooster, you used a phrase that might serve me as a good example. "A boy needs to learn how to cope with life and relate to others as a man." Is that thought any less true if we leave off the final three words?? I want it to be more true, and without those three words, more important. Perhaps it isn't