fred8033

I hugely agree. The Cub Scout program is killing Boy Scouts. Absolutely. I've taken four sons through the program. In hind sight, I'd never last in the new Kindergarten Lion program. I'd easily ditch the 1st and 2nd grade scouting years. Maybe do 3rd. Fourth is a good time to plug in. Boy Scouts definitely. But this whole idea of kindergarten through 5th grade for cub scouts ? It's ridiculous and it's killing excitement before Boy Scouts where the kids really benefit. Scouting should start when you can teach and trust scouts with fire, knives, archery, tenting and the trad

Agreed. BSA doesn't benefit from fighting this. Let them have their spotlight. Move on. IMHO, it's a petty move by the family and damages all who touch it.

I wish there was a clearing house of background checks that organizations could subscribe as a member. I swear there was one year I had five organizations run background checks ... work, school, multiple volunteer organizations, etc. It added no value to the purpose of the organizations, but it added alot of cost. We need something like a LinkedIn for background checks.

I wouldn't be surprised. Registration was $11 fall 2000 and another $12 for Boy's Life. As fees increased, we always found a way to reduce our recharter costs. When the fee increased to $24, our pack went down to one Boy's Life per family. Then, we stopped registering the partially involved adults. For example, we stopped registering the mom who helped bake or the dad who reserved camp sites. We focused on registering direct contact and key committee members (chair, treasurer, etc). Then, we stopped automatically buying books for the families. Later years, we stopped recharterin

Memories Good set of sun glasses. Blocks the wind. Blocks the snow glare. Looks cool. My first winter camping experience I remember well. Our guides would ask the scouts if they were cold. If any said yes, we went on a 4/5 mile hike. Long hikes in winter boots is tiring. Very, very quickly the scouts learned to say NO to being cold. We went to sleep with the sun. I swear it was 5pm / 5:30pm and we were going to bed. We were very tired and worn out and slept until sun up in the morning. It was either keep moving or go to sleep. Fires fo

Eating together is critical to bond. Each patrol individually eating together is critical to forming and bonding as a patrol. Cook stations and eating areas need to be separated and away from each other. It's part of being a patrol.

I agree... we don't need to teach psychology, but we should somehow teach attitude / approach. I do agree with you. The best way to teach it is by example. I hugely agree with most of your comments. The one that I'd like to expand on is where the SMs sit back and let SPLs / PLs run things. My comment is driven by everyone learning best by example. If SM "sits back", it teaches SPLs / PLs, they can sit back. It teaches people can sit down when their job is done. My better thought is SMs and adults need to help each other and keep working so that scouts see that SM / adults help ea

So many good comments here. I fear to say I think the largest obstacle to patrol success is the passion adults put into the patrol method and scouting in general. In addition, I think it perverts the program; stresses the scouts; and saps the fun and excitement from the program. When I look at the requirements for a national honor patrol, I envision a set of friends getting out doing things. In the process of that, they help each other grow, plan and coordinate. And, they take pride in their friendship and identity as a patrol. Yes, modern youth protection makes this harder,

That happened in the case I listed too. Without intervention, the patrol had about 1.5 to 2 large boxes of pop tarts for each scout in his patrol. They were very happy with that so they each kept their pop-tart supply. They had less use for pounds and pounds of meatballs, pasta, sauce, eggs, lunch meat, milk, etc. ... I think the scouts in question ended up sharing the pop-tarts with everyone at some point.

I think I agree with your thoughts. I'm just not sure on the remedy you suggest. ... and finding a remedy is a real hard problem ... here is the real case that happened in our troop ... The scout was buying for his patrol and had the menu for his patrol. He had around eight scouts. At the time, the target budget was around $12 per scout. $12 times 8 = $96 budget. ... Well, the scout was a bit of a space case and instead bought enough for all scouts in the troop. We were around 35 scouts at that time. I suspect the parents badgered the scout and decided to play it safe. Even then, they

Our troop is like many other troops. Patrols cook and eat together. Only required role in patrol is patrol master. The patrol picks the menu and gives it to one of their members to acquire. That scout (and parent) shops and brings food to campout. Scout (or if needed parent) submits receipt to treasurer. We reimburse or put in scout's account. Our troop has a camp out charge. Usually $20 to $25 for a standard simple camp out. Food + specific weekend costs + general troop overhead. It has been drifting up in cost lately. We usually don't charge for gasoline (and we don't reimburs

It depends. What is a "public" meeting? The term public is not at all clear. If the meeting is announced, then it is public. HOAs are non-profits by default in many states. I researched Florida and another state. So a scheduled announced open meeting for a non-profit is not a public meeting? If not, then what is the boundary?

This happened to our pack years ago too. Recharter fee changes announced in September are too late for the pack to budget and adjust. IMHO, BSA is dancing two sides of the fence. Sometimes chasing money directly from families. Sometimes chasing money from the units.

"some". I've seen my scouts sometimes get incredibly great experiences with MB colleges and camps. There is no single statement of what is good or bad. IMHO, it's about the counselor enabling a great experience. If it's power point or just a MB counselor signing a blue card, it does not reflect well on scouting.

I'm the opposite. I always end up wondering why I'm a MB counselor if the scout comes to me with everything done and just a sign off ... then I'm not counseling or mentoring. I'm just a pen. I prefer when I can work with the scout. Share knowledge. Share skill. Share experiences. In another words, if it's a cooking MB, I'd like to be there some of the time when they are cooking. If it's a canoeing MB, I want to be canoeing with them. I remember once doing the motor boating MB. He had everything done and there was no value I could add. He just needed a signature. Nice kid. We

I'd strongly tone down the rhetoric. Lied? Deceptive? Fraudulent? Not a scout? Suspended? We can posture in closed doors, but we don't interact with scouts or their families in those terms. The original poster did not write your assertion that the scout said he didn't do the requirements. The original poster explicitly said the scout seems to think he earned it. Yes, the scout could not answer some direct questions, but many youth shut down when confronted. IMHO, friendly open coversation is acceptable. Calling the counselor and asking questions is acceptable. But ther

I would not differentiate that much between regular merit badges and eagle required merit badges. We naturally do, but the advancement rules apply equally to both. The scout has a signed MB card. You can provide feedback to the MB counselor and/or council, but it's not the scout's fault. Also, the MB card should have the MB counselor name, address, phone and email. Call and ask if you have questions. That's why the MB card has contact info. I would absolutely not consider the efforts of other scouts when deciding how to handle this scout. Advancement is an individual effort and

There is no perfect answer. IMHO, make the annual planning conference the best it can be. Get PLC commitment. Get troop member buy-in. Beyond that, there is no way to properly time elections and the annual planning conferences. Maybe don't ask the SPL to run it the week after he gets elected. Give him a bit of time to get ready.

Good luck ! I do want to make a comment on ... "The communication block between SM and other leaders would be very nice and make everything so much easier but it is not needed if the scouts are empowered." I hugely disagree. There is nothing worse in a troop than mixed messages from different leaders. All adults in the troop need to be on-board with the SM vision, especially the ASMs. If you want to help "empower" the scouts, work with the SM and make sure he understands, agrees and shows some "buy-in". This may not be your situation, but I've seen adults clash and future p

My main point was I'd support the council, but supplementary unit fundraisers were unit business. I wouldn't waste much time asking permission to sell chocolate bars or wreaths or .... To your point ... I agree, but there is reality. The real change is the unit doesn't have to support FOS or promote it or hit FOS targets. ... BUT ... that doesn't mean the council won't do their own fundraising. Councils have lists of who gave in the past and lists of the current membership. I can't believe the council would not do their own FOS drive using that data. ... My real question is whethe

"it was very clear" ... I would not infer hidden planning or subverting efforts. When my sons did high adventure, ... as they left the high adventure ... they wanted to do more high adventures. They started planning and discussing during the hours of driving and flying. Wanting to do the next big thing is a natural result of a successful high adventure. I think they did something similar where they found the next big thing even before they got back. "every other year" ... From what I've seen of a successful older boy program, that's just not acceptable. That will give each scout

You should discuss this directly and privately with the SM and the CC. As an ASM, you should be in tight coordination / discussion with the SM. It sounds like you are not. Perhaps he has a vision or plans that are not well coordinated between himself (SM) and the other ASMs. From what I read, a lot could be interpreted as a good program depending on other items. Personally, I would expect ... Older scouts need a more challenging program. Higher adventures. This often needs to be done separate from programs good for the 10-14 year old scouts. PLC and SM has a responsibi

I agree, but my view is slightly different. Paper scout handbook is for the scouts. It's the best way for them to track, drive and own their advancement. Online tools such as internet advancement or the online scoutbook web site is for the adults and parents. The online scoutbook.com the best way for them to see BSA's official records. When the SM signs off a rank or receives a MB card, it should be entered by an adult into BSA's official records ... as soon as possible. BUT, it should be fully recorded in the paper scout handbook too.

You MUST get their data online into BSA's systems. Most councils now do NOT enter paper advancement records. They don't have the staff. You don't need to load any partial or in progress items. It is critical though to enter earned badges/ranks/awards at the time they are earned (or at least before being awarded). The key point is you risk your scout's future if you don't keep their BSA records current.

I am absolutely one who is tired of the evil middle aged white man argument. I find it hypocritically driven from hate and bigotry and dependent on simplistic lazy logic. BUT .... with that said ... some of the statements in the book are absolutely true. Scouts was absolutely a reaction to industrialization and trend of the population moving from the country into cities. ... Scouts was right in line with "Go west" quotes about maturing boys into men. The originally posted link has a link to a good article that rings true ... https://daily.jstor.org/go-west-you-nervous-men/ .