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Work with that newer councilor. Move past the SM and just get it done. It's sad when things like this happen, but in reality ya want your kid working with adults that want them to succeed. And, the vast majority of scouters are that type of person.

LOL ... colorful intrepresentation of history. ... based on settlement of a massive anti-trust lawsuit. One of my final undergraduate courses was an independent research project for credit based on the AT&T breakup. 80 typed pages of research ... before Google, before search engines and largely before the modern internet. Libraries. Copy machines. Phone calls. A retired AT&T employee sent me a book they had called Heritage & Destiny by Alvin von Auw. I still have the book. I was about to donate it to Goodwill. https://www.amazon.com/Heritage-destiny-Reflections-S

It's not a real choice. BSA has a structure to create a youth program that charter orgs can use. That youth program is part of a brotherhood of other youth programs around the world. The charter org can create something very special and unique to their organization ... BUT it's without the boundaries of the scouting program.

G2SS is interesting to follow there ... It says ... Tenting Separate tenting arrangements must be provided for male and female adults as well as for male and female youth. Youth sharing tents must be no more than two years apart in age. In Cub Scouting, parents and guardians may share a tent with their family. In all other programs, youth and adults tent separately. Spouses may share tents. Seems writing should be cleared up. Points #1 & #2 are the real rules here. As for points #3, #4 and #5, those are more comments

I started this thread to suggest a framework to teach out scouts leadership. Failed, I have.

@ParkMan ... Well said. So leaders visiting or asking to visit is the reaching out from outside leaders to the unit. How does the unit respond? We're scouters. Friendly service. Servant leaders, etc, etc. Absolutely fine to try to figure out root concern, open communication and maybe even get it addressed in advance. Beyond that though, we are friendly toward our fellow scouters.

No. It's not a sexual thing. I used the analogy. ... As with YPT where I've been taught to look for signs, there are other signs for other issues. The question is why would anyone not welcome people from the same organization to see what they are doing. That's a red flag for a group that is going a different direction and perhaps a direction that contradicts fundamental assumptions / directions/ guidance. Heck, as a parent, my kids can do certain specific things that raises red flags and makes me more alert.

It's from training that teaches warning signs. For example, an adult touching the hair of a non-related child is a red flag. A member organization not welcoming leaders from the same organization is also a red flag. It does scare me. What are they hiding? What's the concern?

Yeah. Units can pretend to be independent, but their not. It's a fallacy. Ya wear the uniform. Ya buy the boy scout handbook. Ya sign the form. Ya submit the Eagle applications. Ya walk the brand. Most importantly, BSA national bankruptcy is not happening because abuse that happened in the corporate office lunch room. It happened in the units. Now, national is being held accountable because of unit leader abuses. That's what the courts are saying. Courts are saying BSA national is paying for unit damages. My apologies, but your exact statements scare me. I can't say I'm 1

Perhaps there is a way to turn the "BSA vs UNIT" to reflect on Authentic leadership. So much distrust could be driven by non-aligned goals. Unit leaders want their unit health, active and great experiences for their scouts. BSA leaders need membership, growth and visibility of BSA as a product / value statement. So often we see this as national leaders only talking to units when it involves recruitment or problems that have happened. We think of ourselves as one team, but it's not really true. BSA (national and councils) have an annual cycle of talking to units that have little

I avoid the "bad kids" debate. My view is scouting can be good for everyone, but everyone is not good for scouting. Each individual has to be willing to work within scouting's boudnaries and expectations. If the individual can't, then the individual should find somewhere else to spend their time.

I just removed my latest response. Ya know ... I wanted to assert a good framework through which we can teach leadership. Perhaps, this channel shows we can't do that. Maybe we stop pretending to teach leadership and just stick to knots.

We should tone down. The CO / BSA relationship is not a perfect marriage. It's a Venn diagram. There are things that BSA supports and the CO can't and vice versa. The program works in the common center. ... For example, paintball. Probably okay for many COs, but not BSA. As such, paint ball should not be part of the scouting program in that CO. I'm sure we can apply the same common center approach for many things from activates to safety to advancement to membership. For me, Guide To Safe Scouting is most difficult for me with laser tag. BUT, on the other hand, I am ext

Authenticity is a line of research centered around being an effective leader. And this is far wider than just business circles. It can be applied 100% to clubs, military and social circles. "Primary point of being a leader is to accomplish things." ... No. That's one characteristic of leadership. I can get a huge amount done without anyone helping. I can get a huge amount of done by bully or dictating. But many of us would not want to call a bully, a dictator or a guy working by himself a leader. Being a leader is about getting people to follow you, setting objectives and h

Absolutely agree. Years ago ... and we've fallen away from this ... our patrols each had a monthly activity. Most of their patrol meeting was about that monthly activity. Maybe a movie. Maybe a game. Maybe something else. The key was the patrol mtg was about doing something they wanted to do. Yes and no. Scouts do learn best by seeing behaviors and repeating them. BUT, reflections is critical to develop and ingrain permanent skills. A passive leadership example I remember very very well was between my oldest son's troop and a younger son's troop. In the old

For the first time, I heard leadership described as authenticity. I didn't know that was an old representation. I wish I heard that representation 15 years ago. I think it's a great term around which to teach leadership and relate attributes of leadership. I think we as scouters can use the term "authenticity" as a teaching tool. For many years I've assserted BSA unit leaders should stop explicitly teaching "leadership" as so many leaders do an absolute horrible job at it. Often I see bad examples, demoralized scouts or explicitly the exact oppositve of what I view as good leadership

It depends how you define "high adventure". One person's adventure is another person's normal weekend. High adventure in context of my experiences New and challenging experiences --> BSA Sea Base ... Activities that we just can't do where I live. Physically demanding --> Philmont ... Carrying a heavy pack for 6 to 10 miles each day. Setup. Tear down. Hike. Hike. Hike. Dependent on your own crew for health, safety and success --> Northern Tier ... You are significantly further out and isolated than any of the other adventures. Help and comfort are an

Is there a difference between insurance and liability? If your council has the camps closed because they say it's not safe ... and you as a leader take your scouts elsewhere, you may be "insured", but are you still facing liability for ignoring council recommendations? I'm not a lawyer. I've always wondered about this.

I view parent attendance aligned with a term a girl scout professional taught me years ago: progressive responsibility. Lions - Parents should be there 100% of the time. Arrow of light cubs - often separate. New Boy scout - mostly separate 1st class - almost always separate Eagle scout - don't even ask It's a progression and it often depends on the youth ... and the parent ... lol.

I flip back and forth on this. My experience is that scouting units (packs, troops) need relatively light policy and procedure documents. Document habits. When do you meet? How much are dues and when? How do you share fundraiser profits? ... A new parent guide ... Beyond that, I find little need to document policies and procedures. RECOMMENDATION: Resolve the situation first. Then, outside the situation, discuss whether a policy is needed. I've sat in too many committee meetings where hours are spent debating a well written policy that is driven by one or two situations. T

Parents are not required to accept responsibility for other people's kids. We are all volunteers. If you are not comfortable, then don't do it. It's also acceptable to not do it if it's hurting the experience of the other cubs. "IF" the parent has already said they would talk to the council, then I would suggest they do that. The council does have special need units. They probably do have a special needs pack that would accept the scout. I would require the parents to stay until the cub says he's okay with them leaving and you are comfortable with the cub staying witho

Ideas for agendas for annual planning, PLCs, etc The only other thing is don't go after a single answer. Provide ideas / resources, etc. As I've come to learn, there are many ways to do scouting. There is no single answer. I've found my reason to have my sons in scouting is often very different than the reasons of other people. The experience I want them to have is very different than what other's envision.

Lions. Now Kindergarten.

It's not that it's not needed. There is a hole. I don't see a youth targeted scouting web site that helps youth do scouting. Many sites exist, but NONE sites are youth oriented. I agree that a WikiHow or a Wikipedia site would be useful. I do NOT think it would be useful to create new content. But a well organized presentation of scouting topics targeting youth would be very helpful. Then, leverage links to outside youtube and other content. Site could have Ideas for: Meals, outings, games, objectives Resources for: Planning a camp out, working on merit badges, etc

A few comments. I have no issue with people scanning records. If scanned, you need to assume it will exist for a long time ... longer than you planned and ... in more hands than you'd ever expect. It's unrealistic to expect volunteer parents to cleanly purge records. It's unrealistic to expect volunteer parents to cleanly follow paperwork procedures. At least with paper, it's a physical limitation. Where's the paper ? It takes space. It requires explicit hand off. They don't proliferate without action. I've found paper records