Eagledad

>>The polls have risen favorably for treating homosexuals fairly, because the younger generation are not changeing their attitude.. That is because it is not rational logic or solid evidence that show them to be immoral..

I touched on sports in my first post.

>>I think both the journey and the destination are important, though I prefer qwazes' use of waypoints instead of destiantion.

How many troops in camp? Barry

What makes Tigers so difficult is they are toddlers, the rest of the pack is not. They can't read or write and they haven't had the discipline of a year of 1st grade to develop the patience of listening. Thus that age requires as many adults as all the other age groups added together. Barry

We send the SPL, an adult may or may not go depending on the camp. Barry

>>Stosh-Every camporee, outing, trip, etc. is instant gratification with the definition you are using. So I'm unsure of the point being made. >Stosh-There are no rules, no charters, no fees, just show up.

>>Surprisingly, people are showing up and we're having a great time. The point being with a "Flash Mob" the only destination is the starting point of the activity. There is no guarantee the program will last any longer than the last activity.

>>Unless your troop is huge (5+ patrols), why do you need an SPL? Try going without one for a while. Put the PLs at the head of things, where they should be. See how it works.

I should have included in my first post is that all troops go through this because its part of learning the limitations of the program. What the adults need to learn from it is that something needs to change. Barry

Its a challenge to develop and continue a program where every position has some kind of accountability. Its hard to always identify reasonable and challenging responsibilities (expectations) for each position. And its especially challenging to how to apply reasonable accountability for each position. I think those are some of the most difficult challenges of the adult part of the program. What I have observed is the positions that are held accountable are the ones most respected. And while there are a million ways to hold scouts accountable, the best accountability that is clearly measure by the expectation of the group. If the Grub Master didnt bring the food for the campout, that is a clear measure of performance. If the campout didnt go well because a scout decided not to plan it, that performance, or lack of, is a measureable by everyone. Without knowing your troop, we cant say what you should do. I can guess however with some confidence that the SPL is not really respected as a position of serving for the good of the program. There is clearly something missing. Barry

Boy Scouts to keep ban on gay leaders http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-06-06/boy-scouts-ban-gay-leaders/55432602/1(This message has been edited by Eagledad)

>>My view ... kids have a whole adult lifetime to do stuff he'll not want to do. So why the rush to start it early. If it really makes my kid's life miserable then it's not a positive.

>>Long time scouters....... How do you find balance????? Have you paid for scouts to attend events out of pocket???? How do you deal with the sport coaches and band directors??????

>>From my observation at the swim check..I understand the anguish and agony and intimmidation they cause people

>>We have some well mannered boys, but we also have some boys, I bet most of you would discard.

>>A Scout is Obedient. A Scout follows the rules of his family, school, and troop. He obeys the laws of his community and country. If he thinks these rules and laws are unfair, /*he tries to have them changed in an orderly manner rather than disobeying them*/.

>>We aint there yet but yes we are at a decision point. Make or break time for me in the next few months.

>>more importantly I will work to set up and reinforce all our boys living the oath and law and calling out the ones who don't.

>>I really hate discarding one boy especially one that could really benefit from scouting

Taxes for most politicians are a tool to manipulate the behavior of the masses, not for paying the bills. That is why a 15 trillion dollar deficit is not a big deal to most in Washington. As a result, Fair Tax style reform of any kind is not seriously considered since only small minority of politicians would consider it. Barry

>>I need to sit down and think of how I should act around this kid--he is good.

>>I am an ASM..though I guess a "senior" one. I doubt I have the temperament yet for SM or I am just not ready. I was told that this weekend and pretty much agree. But I am deeply involved. Next infraction I am circumventing our kind-hearted SM and talking to the parents. I will talk, tactfully, to the other Adult leaders.

>>spending cuts alone won't do it

This is silly, taking more from the rich won't even put a dent in the budget or deficit problem. Its purely another political strategy to gain votes from the majoirty of non-rich. Barry