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    • I understand your friend not wanting to donate the land unencumbered.  I've seen too many shenanigans at the council level trying to get around encumbrances in order to turn land donations into cash even when the land donation paid for itself in terms of cash flow (i.e. program fees to use the land were enough to pay taxes, utilities, fees, and improvements).  An enduring trust that gives your local unit first right of refusal to use the land for activities or something like that might be the way to go but it does require finding a trustee willing to do all of the work.
    • Sure you can.  That's what it means to be part of a team.   We win as a team, and we lose as a team.  
    • If CO's have money, they will be at financial risk going forward regardless of wording.  I question, long term, if any charter org would be really interested in the traditional model.  Especially after they start seeing the waves of lawsuits in 2021 as the lawyers are able to start documenting Troops/Packs/COs/Councils.  Once the pull the meat from the bones of National BSA, they will descend on the rest.    The legal fees & bad press will be tough to handle.  I expect the charters dropping now are simply the first wave. We had a "Friends of CO" that we ended this year.  I talked with the individuals (parents) who were running the "CO".  I asked them if they had consulted lawyers to understand their legal liability if something went wrong  with the Troop.  Blank stares.  I asked them how much insurance they had and if, as leaders of the CO, they were ready to be listed as defendants in future lawsuits if something went wrong.  Blank stares.  I asked them why we didn't simply use a fraternal org … I was told "control/not sure".  I began these discussions after talking with an attorney about what would happen if a scout got Covid at one of my outings (it went beyond Covid to any serious injury).  He told me that we would sue everyone and let the courts work out the mess. After these discussions there was quick agreement to end the "Friends Of" and go with a traditional CO (a fraternal organization).  I think we were lucky to have one, I wonder if it will continue next year.  For those running Friends of Troop or Pack xxx COs going forward, I would be careful and recommend consulting an attorney and insurance agent if you plan to continue.
    • FWIW, Pikes Peak Council incorporated knife and axe throwing into its annual Shootaramas 4 years ago or so.
    • Odd that this quote from a comment on the Texas HS football player that took an official down with a blindside because he was kicked out, seem to fit this too .  "You can't condemn the the entire team for the actions of 1person."
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