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1 hour ago, Tampa Turtle said:

(a) What is the unsustainable membership point? 500,000? Is there logic behind that number?

 

I threw that out as a mostly random number, with maybe the slight logic behind it being that it's the number at which I would guess it becomes impossible for National to maintain their operations in the existing structure. 

 

1 hour ago, Tampa Turtle said:

(b) Before you hit that 'collapse' number is there a 'tipping point' number before that where other weirdness happens?

 

2 million, and it's already happening. They just cut pensions. Pay cuts and job cuts will follow. 

 

1 hour ago, Tampa Turtle said:

Can you have a traditional program that is smaller and sustainable? I think so.

 

Absolutely. But the governing body of the organization will have to be completely re-thought. It can't be this big corporate operation anymore. I don't think 100% volunteer-run is sustainable, if you want good people to run the show they need to be able to devote themselves to it and that takes a lot of time. But we could do it with far fewer salaried employees and much more modest salaries for top executives. 

 

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26 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

@Jameson76 "There have been other cheating scandals (Learning for Life is the latest" ??? Did I miss something?

This is the Scouting program for urban youth, at schools, etc.  

Learning for Life (LFL) is a United States school and work-site based youth program that is a subsidiary of the Boy Scouts of America. It utilizes programs designed for schools and community-based organizations that are designed to prepare youth for the complexities of contemporary society and to enhance their self-confidence, motivation, and self-esteem, and for careers.

Learning for Life is not considered a traditional Scouting program; it does not use the Scout Promise, Scout Law, uniforms or insignia of traditional Scouting. All Learning for Life programs are open to youth and adults without restriction based on gender, residence, religion, sexual orientation, or other considerations, other than minimum age requirements. Some Explorer posts may require background checks and satisfactory school transcripts as conditions of membership.

There were many issues with "Scouts" being registered.  As you can see the membership dropped 36% from 2010 - 2014 as these issues were revealed.

Youth membership

Year

2010

2011

2012

2013

2014

Exploring

113,180

112,783

116,584

114,894

110,853

Learning for Life

664,063

511,359

475,280

418,484

422,139

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1 hour ago, EmberMike said:

Absolutely. But the governing body of the organization will have to be completely re-thought. It can't be this big corporate operation anymore. I don't think 100% volunteer-run is sustainable, if you want good people to run the show they need to be able to devote themselves to it and that takes a lot of time. But we could do it with far fewer salaried employees and much more modest salaries for top executives. 

 

FYI, and out of interest...UK HQ directly employ about 300 people full time for about 450,000 young people. Though counties also employ a few people, we have at least one admin person, and staff to run campsites, in our County that's 13,500 young people and 3,500 volunteers, and about 3 employees, excluding campsite staff. UK wide volunteers, there's about 100,000 of us. Sometimes it's a bit creaky, and things don't happen as fast as an employee would get them done but...we muddle through.

 

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Reading the 2016 annual report about income, liabilities and the audit notes are, indeed, interesting. As are the notes from page 17 on the three most important issues facing national and it's finances as of this report.

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10 minutes ago, Col. Flagg said:

Reading the 2016 annual report about income, liabilities and the audit notes are, indeed, interesting. As are the notes from page 17 on the three most important issues facing national and it's finances as of this report.

I must have missed it. Interesting that 75% =/- of BSA's physical assets are tied up in the Summit. *gulp*

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25 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

I must have missed it. Interesting that 75% =/- of BSA's physical assets are tied up in the Summit. *gulp*

Yup. That and the hold back for liability coverage. Explains the increase in fees a great deal. Little having to do with delivering the program to kids; lots to do with CYA from over-investment in The Summit, under-collection of promised funds. Their liquidity is a joke. Looking at the revenue streams makes one wonder exactly how long they can keep this up. They need a serious revenue injection that doesn't come with a bunch of increased liability. Increasing membership is NOT that stream.

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