Chug

Why do some atheists have such a bee in their bonnet about Scouts, Scouting worldwide has a spiritual dimension, if you're not prepared to accept this, that is your problem. My local sailing club insists that members can swim a minimum of 50m, this isn't bigoted against non-swimmers, it's the rules of the club. If you're not prepared to abide by the rules you can't join.

I'm a guard on the railways.

I'm a guard on the railways.

I'm a guard on the railways.

Providing the Scouts have suitable clothing and equipment I don't think mere temperature should stop you camping, but I woud check the Scouts sleeping bags before they go.

If they want a youth organisation based on secularist ideals, why don't they start their own? Then they can invite whomever they want to be its honourary head.

If you're offering an exciting and varied program young people will naturally come to your troop. It's the reason that our Explorer Unit is full and with a waiting list whilst the other unit just down the road closed down due to lack of interest.

Thanks to everyone who pm'd me, sorry I haven't replied yet but I was on winter camp at Gilwell last weekend. Once Mrs Chug has made her mind up she'll be in touch. If it's ok with everyone I'll pass on the details of the others who've pm'd me to other groups in our district.

evmori said "I wonder if the PETA people think it's OK for carnivores (lions, etc.) to be snacking on wildebeests?" It would be amusing to watch them try to stop them.

P - People E - Eating T - Tasty A - Animals When I see the newborn lambs frolicking in the fields, my mouth starts to water because I can almost smell them roasting.

Hi, Mrs Chug is a Beaver Leader (6-8yrs), and she'd like to make contact with a group in the US with a view to longterm correspondence. If anyone is interested pm me and I'll pass it along to the missus. Many Thanks Chug

I'm glad it's not just in the UK that the fib "It's only a couple of hours a week" is used. What they don't mention is that's the amount of non-Scouting free time you'll have left.

Sorry, I thought you meant that you'd done so many out of state Scout trips that you've ended up in the divorce court.

Sorry I should have said. It's in southeast England, approx' 72miles from London.

No, it was built as a community centre for the Borough of Cliftonville(formerly Westminster). But it has been used for Scouting since 1909.

Our Explorer Unit hall is a Victorian building that was first used as a Scout hall in 1909 by 3rd Margate(Holy Trinity, one of the first Sea Scout groups. It is still used by Holy Trinity for storage of equipment, and by us; Ramillies Explorer Sea Scout Unit as our meeting hall.

I can't speak for the US, but this is a common myth in the UK. Just ask whoever tells you this to show you where it says it in writing.

They may call themselves Scouts, but they are not a brother Scout to me.

Beavah said; "Next time we want to force WOSM to do somethin', we're just goin' to claim that we have exclusive rights to "Scouting". " If it tried I think it would find the mocking laughter from the other WOSM members a bit upsetting. I also think the Birmingham Small Arms company might have something to say about the Boy Scouts of America using its internationally trademarked BSA acronym.

Well hello there.

Kudu, your replies are becoming increasingly illogical. The word Scout when used in connection with a youth organisation is associated with groups that are members of WOSM, WAGGGS and WFIS. If you say to someone almost anywhere in the world that you're a Scout they will make an instant connection to the movement begun by BP, "cola", "burger" and "software" are generic terms.

GW Said: "What are the terms of this treaty? I did some searching and couldn't find a USA-UK trademark treaty but I did find much about international protection of trademarks and none of that seems to be automatic, you have to file seperate papers for international protection." Good point, I wonder why Kudu hasn't responded yet?

evmori said;"Girls are icky and have cooties but they aren't immoral" If you're lucky they are.

Kudu writes: "Using your logic, if a UK organization folds under a heap of financial irregularities or child abuse allegations you can guarantee that some people will assume it is the BSA because of the use of the name "Scout." Plus, all UK Scouting associations (including the conservative Christian ones) allow gays and girls to join. By the BSA's definition of "Scouting" that is not "clean" or "morally straight." So if you are "Trustworthy" and honor the trademark treaties between our two great nations, you would be free to organize camping activities for your children as long as you don't call it "Scouting"!" If you are too much of a numpty to tell the difference between someone in the US setting up a youth organisation and calling it Scouts, and a sovereign countries Scout Association that's your problem. Of course I realise that you do know the difference and are just pursuing this line of argument to be awkward. BSA's policy on gays aside, I find it very telling that you've just described girls as unclean an immoral.

"Chug from Great Britain writes: "The problem is, if that organisation later folds under a heap of financial irregularities or child abuse allegations you can guarantee that some people will assume it is the BSA because of the use of the name Scout." In that case the BSA should shut down all of the Scouting associations in Great Britain, especially since all three of them (even the conservative Christian group "The British Boy Scouts") violate the BSA's membership policies. If the BSA's "trademark" on Scouting is legitimate, Chug, then you are in violation of our two countries' trademark treaties!" Hmmm! Considering that Britain was the founding country, and that Scouting there predates the BSA by nearly 2yrs, makes this the daftest post I've read on these boards.