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That was supposed to be done before the end of Oct '24. Did he say anything about what delayed/is delaying that action?

I know national has term limits for district and council chairs. There was a situation in my council where a chair refused to step down/aside and claimed there were no rules against it. National stepped in and told the chair to step down per policy or get banned from being a registered adult. That was a few years ago, might have changed, but doubt it considering that district and council committee training still reference term limits for chairs.

Finally seeing some YPT updates that were talked about in the 2024 NAM. I was told today that Emails went out to commissioners to spread the word that Scouting America is now asking all adult volunteers to load a headshot photo to their scoutbook/scoutbook+/my.scouting accouts. Last summer at the '24 NAM Glen Pounder said that he was going to mandate it because UK Scouting mandates it, and then it didn't happen until now. No sign of any of the other mandates that were talked about last year (annual YPT, YPT directly tied to registration status). Has anyone seen anything that was talked about at last years NAM rolled out other than this photo thing that is supposedly happening as of today?

At the unit level this is hard to address. At the district or council level (so say, chapter or lodge) it is easier to push these people out. I am not 100% familiar with OA rules; however, most volunteer roles outside of unit roles are 1 year terms that are renewed by district or council, anything really important such as chairs etc ... typically have a 2-3 year max type restriction somewhere in the books. For example a district or council chair is not supposed to hold the position for more than 2 years consecutively to keep people from becoming the king of the castle so to speak. I bet the OA has rules like this somewhere. I know that my local lodge has some sort of rule about not being able to be an adviser unless the person is the parent of a dues paying youth member; I don't know if that is a local rule or an OA rule, might be worth checking out. Good luck.

This is not correct. Once money is donated to a unit is technically property of the unit. There are a lot of IRS rules that dance around scout accounts and if you give money back to the parent, even as a sub account/scout account line item in this nature you risk your charter organizations non-profit status due to the personal inurement regulations of the IRS.

The conflict of interest angle is an interesting point. I've heard arguments for and against. The against is pretty much the argument of having an outsider peering in can help prevent blind spots. The for has been explained to me in various ways; however, the reason that really stands out (to me) is that sometimes it takes an insider to step up as the commissioner to get the unit use to having a commissioner.

Every unit is supposed to have a commissioner; however, most councils have a hard time getting people to step up to become commissioners. In councils that do not have enough commissioners the method is to assign commissioners only to problem/struggling units. To see if you have a commissioner your key 3 should go into the my.scouting.org and check the unit dashboard to see if a unit commissioner has been assigned (it will be noted in the same panel as your unit key 3, advancement chair, etc ... . If you have not seen a commissioner in years it might be because of lack of commissioners, your unit might be viewed as high functioning, lack of responding back to commissioner contacts by your key 3, or simply your key 3 telling the commissioner that they do not want him at any meetings. My unit has a new commissioner and he attends every unit committee meeting. He basically just sits there and takes notes unless someone asks him a question. Our old commissioner disappeared and we had not seen him in like 4 years.

It's more than just POTUS signature. My council has had difficulty getting anything back from national in less than 8 weeks since the turn of the year.

I would add to this that when you get to the made for collector era of anything you need to have an eye for the very best/most desirable. In some collectables there is artificial pumping and dumping happening; however, there are items that people just keep or catch the random person eye and they snag up for a collection. If you want to make money keep an eye out for "signature" items, FOS CSPs, specialty training patches that have dates, basically anything that might indicate a limited run or some sort of way to determine first production run. Not trying to be funny, but, it is sort of comical, anything that you look at and might think, "oh that might offend so-and-so", you know that's gold, it's going to get pulled out of production somehow, people will want it because of the taboo.

The argument around this sort of thing is odd. The standard is the standard. 21 MB, so many camping nights, pass the swim test, etc ... right? This is sort of a like the old school adage that A's may pay, but C's get degrees. For the scout that goes above and beyond, fantastic, but it does not redefine the standard. The kid that does just the standard is just as much an eagle scout as any other eagle scout.

I don't know about staff size either. Based on my council the staff size is very small but the pay is high (on par for an executive in the area though). I will say that DE to CE pay gap is huge though, my understanding is that our newest DE in the council is only getting like 40k while the CE is getting 200k.

In my council all of the donation haggling seems to be done by the DE's and BOD. Might be different in other councils. My council was a total burning ship 5ish years ago based on 990 numbers. I know my CE is good at getting donations in, but I don't think he's doing it himself, I think his method is work other people to work other people.

I just checked the national map of councils which appears to have been updated 4 Dec 2024 (but does not reflect the realignment of Bay Lakes in WI and MCC in Michigan). That map shows 244 councils. If the settlement documents are binding to any degree that means we're probably looking at a council reduction of at least 100, the low end is at the floor of expectations right? If we look at the cost savings, Scouting America saves anywhere between 18 million and 28 million a year just on council executive salaries (average salary seems to be around 200k) when they merge these councils. This is some EXTREMELY low hanging fruit to find money for program for the scouts. This is just CE money we would save, we don't have good visibility on what council registrars, camping directors, etc ... make those are also all de duplicated roles in a council merger.

I ran across my councils strategic plan last night. With what I learned from it I ask the question; are toxic district and councils the product of DEI? My councils strategic plan is a decade old, about a third of it has to do with "leadership and membership reflecting all of our community" and a SOLID smidge of "we need to implement plans where 'regular units' take scoutreach units on campouts". My council has been on the chopping block for several years, we're shrinking year-over-year, every attempt to merge with a surrounding council is rebuked because no other council in our area will touch us with a ten foot pole. Is this strategic plan why no other council will work with us? Forget the reflecting our community part; how does the make regular units take scoutreach units on campouts even work with YPT and GTSS? Was it that some maniac wrote this garbage or were the early 2010s a YPT wild west?

Does that mean that we can expect multiple council mergers in the next year or two? It is my understanding that national does not want councils under 5000 youth.

Statistically speaking the month picked does not matter as long as the long term trend is tracked on the same date. If SA has always used 12/31 as the date for the data point, continuing to use it will show the long term trend; we can't let ourselves get befuddled in the month-to-month membership numbers. We might not get a clear picture of the membership direction until we have 36 months under this new membership renewal system. 12/31/2027 might be the day that we really know what is going on year-over-year.

Did the lawyers get it wrong or were they being disingenuous?

I would say that my council culture is toxic. I can't put my finger on the pulse of where it comes from. My CE is a great guy, I like him, I don't want to say the problem is him; however, a lot of council committees do not meet which is cascading to the district level. We're not recruiting enough people to fill the district level committees. These two things combined are collapsing our council, and it has turned into a shutup type situation when you bring up "when are we going to start meeting more regularly, and when are we going to recruit more?".

I can see that membership would go up. There are people who are mental and just being named BSA was keeping them away. Personally I would like to see the breakdown by council, and from there I would like to see some sort of mission statement/vision statement on how to deal with the underperforming councils.

Better than what I have seen in other places (total as low as 980k in some other places).

BSA has pulled the 2020 copy down so this is going to be a little bit of a path through the rules. I found this archived copy of the 2019 version; I suspect that a new registration guidebook is pending deployment to the bsa website. https://quivira.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2021/01/Registration-Guidebook.pdf Page 41 of the 2019 copy states in reference to being able to recharter: • Conduct the Scouting program consistent with BSA rules, regulations, and policies. They may be found on the My Scouting website and at the following location: www.scouting.org/Membership/Charter_Orgs/ resources.aspx. Page 8 of the rules and regulations state: Scouter Training. The Boy Scouts of America may establish training requirements for specified positions and completion of that training may be required prior to registration or renewal. Page 2 of the adult application states: • Take leader position-specific training at my.scouting.org. Classroom training may also be available through your local council. You are considered a trained leader when you have completed leader position specific training for your position and have current Youth Protection training. Which then takes us to the Troop Leader Guide Vol 1 which states on page 82 very clearly " Complete position-specific and Introduction to outdoor Leader Skills training."

There's a third group here. They like the outdoors but hate sleeping in a tent. These are a troops day visitors; a great resource to bring day 2 items such as extra ice, forgotten items, a new spare tire because the trailer had an issue on the way to camp. They don't want an assigned task, they don't want to camp overnight, but they love the outdoors and are willing to show up during the daylight time. I would say that everyone that is registered needs a task. Maybe you have a new member committee where you sequester all the new parents off to coffee and gossip corner and integrate them into the troop for a few weeks while their scouts spreads their wings a bit in a patrol. After that get them into a functional role; don't fall into the trap of having a bunch of paper only committee members. If a unit follows BSA's roles and the subsequent division of labor all of the positions are super easy; even the scoutmaster role.

Why are you tracking advancement anywhere but in Scoutbook? Seriously, you eventually have to migrate advancement into Scoutbook regardless. National has mandated monthly advancement reporting and an annual advancement report in the month of December from everyone unit in the new GTA; those requirements are met by just using Scoutbook/SB+. You're doing at least double work by key entering any advancement in a third party software. I don't want to hear anything about SB/SB+ being difficult. I've used SB/SB+/IA, TroopMaster, TroopWebHost, and spreadsheets and I will say that nothing else is easier than SB/SB+; it all filters down to willingness to learn SB/SB+.

Yet another reason why we need to go back to the old way and not have an eagle project.

What happened here is that fiblandia has a special law. That's not the federal FOIA. So going back to the OP's question, what state is the OP in?