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I think cold starting or restarting Scouting is WAY harder than jumping into sports late. The bureaucracy of Scouting is SO massive, there are so many ins-and-outs to learn about the process; there are hordes of personalities to learn, and learn how to manage.

So this might be the path forward? Not 1, but many former Scouts iterating through a media campaign. It would allow BSA to hit all of the demographics by rotating people through, and the process could shift around to hit people who are survivalists but also those who took what they learned into become civic leaders (someone wanted that to be a part of the choosing process), and titans of industry.

So if this is patch 476 does the value scale down from patch 1 like other collectables?

This boggles me a bit; I know there is the "not wanting to relive the trauma" aspect of giving a detailed verification; however, if many are suspected to just take the $3500 why is the majority of this thread, the case, and the debate about the money instead of all of the other factors of the settlement?

In every court that I've seen. When they reject they like to be vague because they never know what additional information that might come back.

If we think she is massaging the ruling I would go with she is massaging it to make it bullet proof for an approval. Normally when judges reject stuff they stay as vague as possible because they want to see what is brought back to the table.

I can attest to that, I am in family court right now and the Judge just punted to November to avoid gumming up the summer.

@SpatulateThere are 2 issues, the first is you have to identify if the "family in question" is the problem or is it something else. The other issue (sort of pointed out in OP) is the repercussions; are you afraid because your unit is not doing things correctly and the ejected family might report you? These issues always come down to, if the unit is following the rules, and doing things to the best of its ability, removing someone from the unit for bad behavior should not be a threat to the unit.

If you know so much, why don't you put forth a name? You have not, because none exists. I just looked up @GrubKnotsuggestion and most of Creek Stewarts classes are gimmick and media based to make revenue through the un-initiated. This is a tough nut to crack; who do you find with bonafidas that is young and energetic enough? Looking back at what the UK did, does BSA just go "screw it, the person isn't teaching so we just get a young face with energy and the best resume possible?

I get the whole difficulty in absolution. I was unofficially told that the overwhelming majority of liability that my council holds was inherited from two other councils that folded and their geographic area was "given" to my council. So as far as I can tell when a council folds under strain/lack of finances/lawsuit/etc ... the council that takes "ownership" of the geographic area becomes the responsible party or such.

Good points ... except ... I have to touch on this Bear Grylls thing. There really isn't a young American who is competent enough in survival to be a media facing brand ambassador. Could we find someone the same age or younger than Bear Grylls that has more competency? Absolutely. If we wanted to go the route of a brand ambassador like the UK we actually need an older survivalist. Older survivalists are just better, more experienced, more proven, and IMHO better at explaining why you do things the way they do it and why it leads to survival over death. That being said, any truly competent survivalist that BSA national could get would constantly lock horns with the national staff over our programming. Who should BSA get as a brand ambassador? Sadly Les Stroud is Canadian and out of the running ... Dan Wowak? Everyone else that I can think of is significantly older and more experienced.

My Council borrowed from the Council Trust (Lucky to have a Council Trust, a different legal entity.), paid those funds to BSA National to cover the Councils liability, and is liquidating assets to pay back the Council Trust within a 3 year time limit. So as far as I know, the local council here has been legally found absolved and is now just trying to reorganize and save Scouting in the local area.

Nothing because we want to just move on and build back better or nothing because of something else?

So with all of these losses/projected losses what happens 10-20-30 years down the road when research and books like this start getting published? Catholic Priests Falsely Accused: The Facts, The Fraud, The Stories

A fun way to introduce youth to outdoor activities, make friends, and learn skills.

This is really easy to neutralize. Units can plan multiple unit activities. The Lone Scout just plans her identical activity at the same time and place as the Troop. We just need to go full co-ed.

These family camps are really popular in my area with families that have Cub aged Scouts and BSA Scouts as you get to camp as a family and the camping nights count for the BSA Scout.

Not sure how accurate that is. With BSA in this lawsuit there might be an emphasis to overestimate the value of the lands owned. Additionally, until you look into the deeds and land grants you really don't know what the BSA really owns, or owns and has the right to sell. I've seen land grants owned by non-profits where the land was donated with clauses that if the non-profit attempts to sell/liquidate that the land ownership reverts back to the decedents of the donators.

False, SM cannot refuse a blue card. Page 70 of the GTA makes it very clear that the decision to pursue the MB is the Scouts decision. The Scout has approached the SM about the MB which is the only requirement to get the blue card from the SM.

So if the judge who is supposedly the expert on this sort of stuff, is making the case that these are not related ...

This absolutely absurd; the private owners of Purdue Pharma are the target of the third party waivers. Are you attempting to say that Councils and Charter Organizations own BSA national?

Yeah I get that, I know that Scoutreach like your council has exists. I am just saying the Scoutreach in my council doesn't seem to work, or more accurately, even when asked about the information on how to leverage it is not being released.

I don't see the connection. The third party releases Purdue Pharma are about protecting the doctors and administrators who were making money off of Purdue Pharma and are the literal perpetrators of the crime. The third party releases in the BSA lawsuit do not protect the literal perpetrators of the sexual assaults or the people who covered up those assaults; the BSA third party releases are to protect ancillary entities. There is also a huge contrast between coordinated bribing operations perpetrated by Purdue Pharma to get doctors and administrators pulling a paycheck to commit illegal acts. No such comparable act was perpetrated by BSA.

What does your post have to do with the BSA bankruptcy? Are you blaming BSA for the opioid epidemic?

Scoutreach always befuddles me; I live in a suburban community that has extreme economic diversity and every time I ask about resources to ensure every family can afford the program/camp/etc ... I get an earnest "We'll discuss that later." that never leads to a discussion later. At this point my opinion of Scoutreach is that if you are poor and not in the inner city Scoutreach is not for you.