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In P13(a), note the word "confirmed." That has to be fleshed out and defined, and the process is TBD. I'm sure there will be much discussion and lawyering involved for backside protection, as well as protection of the accused. Accused vs confirmed is a key difference. the BSA agrees to work with the YPC on a protocol that makes confirmed past child abusers in Scouting, and future confirmed child abusers in Scouting, publicly known.

For all - Be aware that there are substantive footnotes on the filed Term Sheet that don't appear here. You can go to the master doc to see them, if interested.

As a survivor and someone who was about to become involved in Scouting after a 42 year hiatus, I am very interested to hear from survivors and Scouters on these YP commitments. See you over there. Try not to get your feet tangled in the threads.

Added YP commitments start at pdf page 30 of 46.

How can an attorney pledge an asset that is jointly held or otherwise encumbered without written consent? Um. Did BSA not have that document on file somewhere? Did the firm that did the asset appraisal not know? Due diligence? What about the professionals on the survivor side who rummaged through the assets? Something's hinky. Pah-lease. Maybe this is bogus. Meh. More trauma, er, drama.

Ja. (Refer to my post on the other thread. Context and juxtaposition are important.)

GAH!! I forgot to write the most important part! I am SO SORRY and I hear you, brother!! NOTE: I'm moving way too fast. Apologies. I'm jumping back and forth between here and a critical effort of the day. I meant this to be responsive to the issue of recovery and the statement, "I am damaged for life no matter how much therapy I go through" I've shared this sort of thing before, but for gee whiz and for those who didn't read it, "Play it, Sam." I've been in therapy for 22 years. Let's say my average weekly session is $110. For context, that's what I paid in 2000-2001. Today my psychiatrist is $350 every quarter and therapist $300 per week. Trauma therapist aren't cheap and the good ones impossible to find and, if you do, equally hard to see.) We can assume I saw just a therapist 3 times per month (though I go weekly as religiously as I can) for 11 months out of the year. That gives me a current total of $79,860 spent on therapy. Given the ultra conservative assumptions, we know the number is roughly triple that amount. Add in all the medical issues with resulting surgeries, residential and IOP treatment, hospitalizations, medications, lost wages and...yeah. Reality bites. Why don't we do some further spitballing and pull some numbers from my POC. I just happen to keep it in a handy binder on the bookshelf by my desk. Let's see now. What do we got? Let's try tab H, page 23 of the narrative section. Part 5, Paragraph B of the POC, "Impact of Sexual Abuse.". Oh, yes. Here we go. My first stint in residential was in 2001 at the infamous Menninger Clinic, then in Topeka. I checked into the Professionals in Crisis side and straddled it and the Addiction Disorders ward. How much was it you ask? Happy to tell you. $36,564.01 in 2001 dollars. Let's scroll halfway down the page to 2012. Oo. This was a fun one. Child Trauma & Eating Disorder residential at Alsana, then Castlewood, in St. Louis. What did that run, I wonder? A cool $31,000. I could go on. There are 17 entries under "Chronology of Mental & Behavioral Health Providers," a subheading of my making to keep things in some semblance of order. "Memories, light the corners of my mind." Hm. Now that I think of it, they need some light. Comedy is good, too.

It would be scathing, eviscerating and leave the hearer with singed ear hairs.

See? This is the sort of dark, sarcastic humor we so desperately need! It shouldn't be funny, but it is. I am grateful for the smile.

Reading this last series of posts about objections, I was nudged to dig to the bottom of the satchel where I store all my posts. There, in the dregs, I found some of my early comments and fears about how this could go. I was troubled then, grew less so, and now return again. Admittedly, I knew and still know little about bankruptcy law. (Honestly, it seems even those who know it all don't know it well, since it boils down to advocating for their position in a morphing landscape. Anyway.) One of my deepest concerns revolved around pitting survivors against survivors. I know, I know. The states and their SoL reform or lack thereof did that, not the Chapter 11. I'm not 100% convinced of that, but those who can get big money have the right to pursue it. Still, it will pain me to watch this unravel, if it does, based on that division. Even if I am able to pursue a case and others cannot, I will still be troubled, undone, at sixes and sevens and mightily vexed in my soul. As we know, I am likely in the cannot pile, unless I want to represent myself again. Meh. No matter. It's just a mess. If you'll suffer me, I will quote one of my favorite and reputedly the shortest scripture passages in the modern Christian bible. I keep it in my little brain for such times as this. It is from The Gospel of John, verse 11:35 and states, simply, "Jesus wept." Me too.

Thanks. I was referring to "clarity" in the sense of overall wellbeing of the head, heart and soul. THAT is what I need and for which "I will gladly pay you Tuesday..."

Um, if you would be so kind, please package some of that neatly and send a double portion my way. Throw in some cookies and toffee, while you're at it. My crystal ball looks a lot like Kane's snow globe and I am trying not to mutter, "Rosebud."

News Update: The attorney who seemed very keen to take my case last Wednesday just shot me an email. He and his firm are a hard pass on the incredible opportunity to fight for me. I have requested a detail set of reasons. Lay odds I get a good response? I rank them SoL/don't want to try to prove fraudulent concealment, staleness of testimony and evidence, and variability and undetermined status of the Chapter 11. Okay. Maybe that should be #1. If all that remains is a little Catholic Church and the responsible Diocese, meh. They don't have big assets. YeeHaw!

I am not at all surprised, based on my limited knowledge. Anyone have salary figures for the big Local Councils? I randomly know a couple top execs are near $500,000. I guess they would be considered to be running significantly large companies.

I know. Just give the guy a Monday morning chuckle. I am not saying these shouldn't wander and I've stated a number of times how little I envy the job of moderating this forum (or any forum). What I'm trying to point out is that on/off-topic is kind of subjective, regardless how important the thread. There seems to be a hairtigger when it comes to a few of us. Not understanding someone's humor as it is woven around a substantive post should not be grounds for deletion. Personal annoyance for lack of appreciation of the brand of comedy is one thing, but I'm not sure if deletion on that grounds is an appropriate act of moderation. But, then again, moderation is also subjective and relative. I'm just amused as I see what stays, in the full light of what of mine goes. My question always ends up being the same. "Should I stay or should I go now?" (Nod to The Clash.)

I'm just pointing this out for my own amusement and that of some of my fellows. I have been Wack-A-Moled many times for being "off topic" on a thread. Here we are at Christmas trees, wood chippers, chainsaws and churches. What's the name of this thread again? That would be a great name for one. Just sayin. Ha. (Let's see if this gets deleted for being off topic.)

Or, there may be survivors who themselves are split in two, like moi. Assuming the TCC and other objectors have extracted extra cash and concessions from BSA and the Coalition folk, and the SWG and TCC have made significant gains on YP, I think I can let this move forward in my heart and mind. However, I am close to signing with state court counsel to hedge my bet in the event either LCs or COs don't make it across the finish line. I'm too deep into this with too much knowledge about BSA's history (not to mention a 140+/- page POC file) to walk away and let a possible case die. How will it play out? Let's send an envelope to Carnac the Magnificent. (Nod to Johnny C.)

Agreed. Eagle1993 pretty much said all of this, but the general comments and tone suggest a deal: 1) Everyone is being respectful. 2) They are listening to us. 3) We are substantively involved at every turn every. Addressing the 3 Pillars: 1) Money - We may not get the numbers we want so we will be chipping away at expenses. I read that to mean, we are close to getting as much as we can on additional contributions. 2) Settlement Trust. To reduce those expenses, and put more money into the hands of survivors, we will not let go of ensuring independent governance of the Settlement Trust. 3) YP. We are engaged in active conversations and making progress. (Remember, there is a Survivor Working Group that’s been at this for a while.) Sound like a deal is afoot. Moving the status conference seems to indicate the same.

He made restitution, was quickly back into the same industry and remains there (to the best of my knowledge).

Incidentally, I am told he was later busted for embezzlement. I think the drug habit caught up to him.

This was an interesting "numerator vs. denominator" comment made by John H. I took it to mean, "Though the dollars in the trust are not going to be what you know we want, be assured we will find more coin in the form of tighter governance and reduced fees." He is obviously a wise b'ness man who's been around this negotiation block a time or three.

Sorry. I’m being unclear. He was DE of our small council and became SE of the entity resulting from the merger of several. He got “bigger” as the council did. Thus, “SE in transition.” The council office location even remained the same.

So, is having a younger SE a complete fluke in 1973? Has it always been a long path, as you describe? There was a Council merger and expansion at the time and I know nothing of that or the politics. My main concerns revolved around being in a “newly named” LC, having an extra digit in front of our Troop number and having to change my OA Lodge (and pocket flap patch). We were a bit of a Wild Wild West show, but I knew nothing else. There was an older Scouter who showed up at some point, from where I don’t know, that was fantastic and fatherly. He was not around our Troop, per se, quite unfortunately. He is the one with whom I went to the OA National Conference (“A Thing of the Spirit”) held at UT Knoxville in August of 1977. I digress.

And, thank you again.

Even the IVF had his signature noting District Executive/Scout Executive in transition. So you didn’t misunderstand, he was clearly aware of the alcohol and porn handed out by our SM. I said he was at least tacitly implicit, based on his knowledge of those facts concurrent with his involvement with abuse cases in our town. The specific case I mentioned was a Troop sponsored by the sister Catholic Church across town. I vaguely remember the ASM who was involved and thereafter bounced. I knew others in the Troop very, very well.