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Everything posted by Treflienne

  1. Is there any better way? Alternatives I have seen are: storing everying in a trailer parked at a different location than your meeting place, and storing everything in someone's garage. Both seem worse.
  2. I agree about patrols having their own gear and being responsible for it. But why not put a wolf on it? or a cobra?
  3. Not necessarily. None of our girls had brothers already in our linked troop. (Several had brothers in several other troops, one of these brothers has since switched to our linked troop.) I forsee more boy-girl sibling pairs in the two troops in the future, as more kids come up from cubs.
  4. Assuming that these experienced parents will continue volunteering, it sounds like mostly what you need is more girls -- who will likely come with inexperienced but willing to help out parents. Anecdotes are just that -- but in our troop we have no Venturers, no highschoolers, and no crossovers from cub scouts. Only 6th-8th graders. (Our area did not have early-adopter cub packs.) And yes, about half the girls in the troop are there because they were invited by a friend who was already planning to join the troop. If you want to be sure that the new local girls' troop is
  5. Does that mean they'll be crossing over to scouts in two years time? Hopefully by then there will already be a troop going that they can join. Consider critical mass. Are there other girls troops starting in your town or school district? It might make sense to join with them instead of getting another new troop going. (Or maybe there will be enough interested girls for another new troop.) About this "stated commitment to start a linked female troop". What is backing this statement? General goodwill? A willingness on the part of the troop committee to help with the administrati
  6. We were caught by surprise by the requirement that all the committee members submit a new adult application to be on the committee for the "linked" troop. As things now stand, some committee members are registered as committee members for both troops, some just for the girls, and some just for the boys. (Why? because of the paperwork hassle.) The committee (committees?) does (do?) meet as a single entitiy with a single meeting each month. I suppose if it ever came down to a vote on a contentious issue it might matter who was registered for which troop. I agree. Maybe the BSA
  7. Also the online training at my.scouting.org was still listing only three aims of scouting as of spring 2018 when I took the training.
  8. The 2017 printing of the Troop Leader Guidebook (which BSA was still selling in 2018) lists only the three aims, not including leadership.
  9. The Girls' Guides and Journeys books are available to anyone willing to shell out enough money at a girl scout shop. (Or at your local library). But worse are some of the plans for, for example, how to do the Junior Camper Badge in two meetings without ever going camping. See Junior Planning Guide | Girl Scouts River Valleys Volunteers and in particular the documents it links to such as Camper Activity Plan 1 and Camper Activity Plan 2 Admittedly this is from a council website, not from national, but since I am not currently a junior girl scout leader I cannot see what national ha
  10. We have a one-patrol troop. PL and APL but no SPL or APSL. Initial terms of office were for three months. Next elections in May. The scouts did dole out most of the standard positions of responsibility. Some of the scouts are growing into their roles. (The instructor is enthusiastically studying the scouts BSA handbook so she can teach the others.) Some of the roles we probably should not have had. (The librarian has nothing to do yet because the troop owns no books -- but since no one is first class yet, no one is getting advancment credit for a bogus job.) The scouts may w
  11. Non-disclosure of what? the contents of the volunteer toolkit? In my service unit, there seems to be continuous attrition from about 3rd to 6th grades. Some troops hold together long enough for the girls to transition into the "older girl" troop (A local 6th-12th grade troop) but others troops just fold leaving their girls without a troop. It will be interesting to see how many of these girls will try Scouts BSA. I haven't been to any service unit meetings (as a parent) since Scouts BSA started in February, since I've been too busy with Scouts BSA, but prior to that I did
  12. The link was specific to the person taking the survey -- so yes the respondant can be identified. If I remember right, they said that your answers would not be shared with your daughter's troop leader. It will be interesting to see if my family gets any further surveys, or marketing targetted to the dual registered group. Another survey question, if I remember correctly, was whether the survey respondant's daughter was planning to re-register with GSUSA for the coming year. (It is currently early-bird reregistration season). Since the GSUSA registration year starts in October
  13. Moderaters, please move my post if you think it is in the wrong forum but . . . GSUSA is now, perhaps inadvertantly, advertising Cub Scouts and Scouts BSA to at least some of its member families. I was, as a GSUSA parent, sent a link to a survey for parents asking a lot of questions about my family's opinions of and experience with GSUSA. One of the questions was "Which other activities or organizations will your girl be busy with? (Select all that apply.) . . . Cub Scouts or Boy Scouts (Scouts BSA). . ." So if I had not been aware that Cub Scouts and Boy Scouts were admitting girls
  14. I can see three possible styles of camping that need three different types of equipment 1) backpacking. lightweight backpacking stoves. 2) front country camping where you want lots of time for other activities, and so want to cook quickly, using a propane stove, which is boringly similar to cooking in the kitchen at home. 3) front country camping somewhere you can build a campfire for cooking, on a trip when you have time to build a campfire for cooking. And then you need to keep this stuff organized. For #2 or #3, any do you have any recommendations between a)
  15. Well I guess it would be. At your suggestion I went looking and found that Bryan on Scouting had already thought so: https://blog.scoutingmagazine.org/2019/03/05/what-do-you-do-if-a-leader-is-too-quick-to-sign-off-requirements/ Revocation of authorization really sounds like the nuclear option. Have you ever seen it done?
  16. How to "flex their position of leadership muscle" while still remaining on good, cooporative terms -- that could be tricky. I think another go-round of attempted gentle persuasion first may be in order. I am still learning the interaction styles of the other scouters, and how hard I can push and have it still perceived as friendly, not hostile. Have you ever heard of the "tact-filter" theory? ( http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html )Nerds (scientists, engineers, etc) apply the appropriate amount of tact to everything they hear -- and when nerds interact with nerds everyone is happy.
  17. I agree. Now, to implement this -- helping new and inexperienced scouters see the importance and benefit of requiring a full demononstration of skill mastery. Suppose you want to convince an ASM, new to BSA, about how rushing through shortchanges the scouts. About how cutting corners on demonstration of skill mastery shortchanges the scouts. Do you have, say, any recommended reading to suggest? (This is not a hypothetical question, I would like to bring someone around to this point of view and have not succeeded yet.)
  18. The article is so confused that it is difficult to tell whether or not the scouts are confused. A few examples from a single quote why I think the reporter did not know what she was talking about: 1) Girl Scouts has no ranks 2) One does not "graduate" to the gold award. 3) Their troop disbanding is not a direct consequence of their completing the gold award. 4) "will be considered a girl scout for life and will be able to start their own troop". In my area, moms with absolutely no scouting background are pressed into becoming troop leaders, has nothing to do with
  19. https://sippican.theweektoday.com/article/rochester-girl-scouts-try-boy-scout-ranks/40541 has a great picture of Girl Scouts, wearing Girl Scout uniforms, holding their newly acquired Scouts BSA handbooks for girls. If I understand it correctly (and the article is a little confusing) a whole troop of girl scouts has joined the boy scouts. They plan to finish up their GSUSA gold awards, and also work on Boy Scout ranks.
  20. Hi Barry, Sorry, I don't mean to "rub sand in the wound". I am genuinely interested in learning what the BSA differences are. Every so often I feel like I am in never-never-land when something that I thought was common to all parts of the scout movment turns out not to be. I really appreciate that you are helping me learn the BSA way of doing things.
  21. Absolutely, context matters. But since @Cburkhardt was talking about scouting, "the movement" seemed perfectly clear to me. Anyone else care to comment about how common and recognizable this "movement" terminology is currently in BSA? I have been learning that in some cases BSA is just different from what I am familiar with in that other branch of the scout movement, WAGGGS. I keep encountering things that surprise me, especially in areas that BSA is just different, even different from other WOSM scout organizations. (Scout sign with hand at shoulder height, or with upper arm horizon
  22. Hi Barry, I don't know how common the "movement" terminology is in BSA currently, but it goes way back. The preface of the 1911 BSA handbook starts "The Boy Scout Movement has become almost universal . . ." and the first chapter of the 1920 Scouting for Girls starts "When Sir Robert Baden-Powell founded the Boy Scout movment in England . . ."
  23. The scout movement, or perhaps more specifically the "World Organization of the Scout Movement".
  24. When speaking to prospective female scouts and their families, I deliberately use the term "Boy Scouts of America", for example "a new Boy Scouts of America troop for girls" or "an all-girls Boy Scouts of America" troop. Why? Because the general public is familiar with the term "Boy Scouts" and does not know the term "Scouts BSA". I am careful though with terminology, and try to use "Boy Scouts of America" instead of "Boy Scouts" since the organization is still "Boy Scouts of America" even though the program name is now "Scouts BSA"
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