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  1. Jameson76

    Why was Jamboree Split in 1973

    Was it the energy crisis that drove this? The oil embargo of 73 would not have been part of the reasoning as the planning was well ahead of this, but there was the general peak of oil production in the US and the concerns for pricing
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    Why was Jamboree Split in 1973

    The BSA did many many strange and odd things in the 70's Berets Improved Scouting program Skill awards BoyPower Manpower (let's get 1/3 of eligible Boys registered even if we have to fake the numbers) Not having to camp to attain Eagle Scout Really ugly Eagle Scout badge Don't try to make sense of it all...many of us are glad we made it through
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    Blue & Gold cost

    Meal is included, if you wanted to attend and not eat, that would be fine
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    What is this "popcorn season" you speak of??
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    What happened in 1973?

    Apparently it did happen. Not saying how, just that it did
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    What happened in 1973?

    Actually the number that attain Eagle Scout is much higher They do the math by saying 50,000 Eagle Scouts this year and 800,000 Scouts are registered this year so 6%. Then next year there are 50,000 Eagles and 800,000 Scouts so again 6% of Scouts. So on every year. X Eagles in a year and Y Scouts, divide and get the percentage. The misrepresentation is that many (hopefully most) Boy Scouts stay in for more than 1 year. The actual percentage needs to be X unique Boy Scouts and Y Boy Scouts earn Eagle Scout so you get % of Scouts that get Eagle
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    Blue & Gold cost

    That does seem a bit heavy. Not in a pack but our Troop has a Winter COH for families, friends, etc. We get a meal provided (not exactly catered but you get the picture), cost is $12 per person. $35 an adult does seem a might pricey
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Report them? Are there Girl Scout Cookie police? What if they are just wandering by?? What if they are customers?? What if they are members of the family?? Soooo many questions
  9. In our district there is not a face to face meeting to get the district approval. Scout working on the Eagle project, after getting unit approvals, sends the PDF and signatures to the district person. Copying in unit leader, etc. The district reviews and either approves, approves with some small recommended additions, rejects and send back to unit for review. Original signature page is left in a drop box. If there were some challenges with the unit and the process, then a meeting can be scheduled with the unit leader, Boy Scout, etc. In our particular area I would presume no changes to the current general process.
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    Youth Protection Policy Does Not Prohibit Retaliation

    So true as we have all seen with the current state of finances of the BSA. This expense can be seen in notes in the annual reports, increase in the registration fee, talks of bankruptcy (wonder what happened with that??), opening up joining criteria to increase members.
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    Snow Days?

    In these parts they have e-days, so while they are not in school, students must log-in by a certain time, do their assignments, and it counts as a school day That way no extended days
  12. Cycling is a hard one due to the rides, yes if you are cycler it is straightforward, but to the casual participant it is tough. We are near one of the longest rails to trails in the country, literally it runs 90 miles one way. The troop does a bicycle trek on it annually. For the weekend the scouts can typically accomplish the 25 mile and then a 10 or 15 the next day. Also they can do the 50 mile if they are up to it. There are 7 rides total, so it does take planning. Over a couple years a Scout can complete maybe 4 of the rides with the troop and do the other 3 around the city we live in. I would agree that Lifesaving is a much more straightforward path than E Prep. Hiking MB also has numerous hikes; a 5 miler, three 10 milers, and one 15 miler. Then a 20 miler. Swimming is a simpler path
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    Can a CO profit off a unit?

    So...let's assume you have 12 Scouts / Parents each time for 12 events and it's 2.5 hours each time - That is 360 hours. For that time investment the unit gets $1,000 or roughly $2.75 per hour expended. Also clearly there would be more time put in to organize the monthly labor needs, phone calls, schedules, etc. That will fall on one of the leaders plates to coordinate. May be better to just pay the recharter fee directly from unit funds and politely decline to be a labor force for the CO...unless you get a split of the profits.
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    First thought is this is one of the pitfalls / minefields that will be an obstruction to delivering program, but the lawyers will love to have the discussion Second thought is that as the requirement is at least one female on the event, then as long as no one on one contact, and there is a registered female on the event, you would be in compliance. Currently we have 1 leader and multiple Boy Scouts in cars / vehicles all the time. There is more than one leader on the outing (two deep) and there is no one on one contact with the youth as there is more than one Boy Scout in the car.
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    No doubt there was a survey, then a listening tour, then a sub-committee meeting on the topic, then a working committee meeting on the topic, then a general committee meeting on the topic which was forwarded with a resolution of support for the change to the legal topics sub-committee, who then reviewed, sought outside counsel advise, the outside counsel then also reviewed, looked over historic documents to understand what the original framers of the Guide to Safe Scouting's intent may have been, the watched "Follow Me Boys" (twice) as active reference material, reviewed the desired change on the corporate retreat to the lovely Sheraton Grand on the Big Island, then forwarded their recommendation to the firms partner working group who took in under advisement, who then sent the recommendation (123 page document with annotated index and twenty-seven 8-by-10 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was, to be used as evidence in the proceedings), which the committee then reviewed in detail and forwarded their support recommendation to the BSA Executive Board who flew in some of the lawyers from the outside counsel to do a full 76 page PPT slide presentation to the board, who then took it under advisement, considered it, voted, and then it was approved. Bottom line nobody is sure what the wordsmithing may in fact have cost
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    "Pencil Whipping" Requirements

    Below are the requirements. I suspect it could be done in one meeting. There is the requirement (#2) of "After Attending". As the rank is to be earned after they joined Scouts BSA, not sure how that would be handled. One could prep all the others, but that one specifically indicates after. Repeat from memory the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. In your own words, explain their meaning. Explain what Scout spirit is. Describe some ways you have shown Scout spirit by practicing the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan. Demonstrate the Boy Scout sign, salute, and handshake. Explain when they should be used. Describe the First Class Scout badge and tell what each part stands for. Explain the significance of the First Class Scout badge. Repeat from memory the Outdoor Code. In your own words, explain what the Outdoor Code means to you. Repeat from memory the Pledge of Allegiance. In your own words, explain its meaning. After attending at least one Boy Scout troop meeting, do the following: Describe how the Scouts in the troop provide its leadership. Describe the four steps of Boy Scout advancement. Describe what the Boy Scout ranks are and how they are earned. Describe what merit badges are and how they are earned. Explain the patrol method. Describe the types of patrols that are used in your troop. Become familiar with your patrol name, emblem, flag, and yell. Explain how these items create patrol spirit. Show how to tie a square knot, two half-hitches, and a taut-line hitch. Explain how each knot is used. Show the proper care of a rope by learning how to whip and fuse the ends of different kinds of rope. Demonstrate your knowledge of pocketknife safety. With your parent or guardian, complete the exercises in the pamphlet "How to Protect Your Children from Child Abuse: A Parents Guide" and earn the Cyber Chip Award for your grade. 1 Since joining the troop and while working on the Scout rank, participate in a Scoutmaster conference.
  17. Average of 6.55 Scouts per unit. Trust they get to critical mass quickly. A Scout troop with less than 10 Scouts is hard to keep the momentum going.
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    Cub Scout takes knee during pledge

    Reading the article, and some others, possibly the dad encouraged him to do the protest. Certainly the young man and his family have every right to protest in whatever way they care to and wherever they might feel the urge. They have that right as a US citizen. The First amendment is in fact the first for a reason. I many not agree with his protest, but he does have the right to protest. The problem is that the Cub is in fact representing not only his pack, but his Charted organization, his district, his council, and the BSA in general. If he wants to protest the pledge of allegiance, show up as a citizen at the city council meeting, and kneel away. He chose to come to the event and lead the pledge as a member of an organization that basically works to help youth learn about and develop their duty to God, duty to country, duty to self. When representing that organization it is no longer just his protest, he is taking advantage of a spotlight not for him, but for the organization he is supposed to represent.
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    BEST - BSA Study

    From the CSE Letter - Note the term "collaborating". The BSA (i.e. National Office) will be very involved The BSA, the Institute for Research on Youth Thriving and Evaluation (RYTE) at Montclair State University, and the American Institutes for Research are collaborating to conduct the study.
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    BEST - BSA Study

    Since it is a survey by BSA National Office, can they save time by going ahead and publishing the results now? Would save a lot of time and money to go ahead and tell the minions in the trenches what they want us to know. Your example of the First Class First Year is spot on. The real challenge is that it is NOT rocket science to keep Scouts active. But to justify the headquarters jobs and spend the money, they've got to do something that appears helpful. The secret?? Have a FUN program. Go camping, Go outside, Go do stuff. Now the problem is how to get that implemented at every troop, many troops take themselves waaay to seriously, 75 page troop manuals, and basically make Scouting just more school. Scouts show up looking for fun, fire, and knives. They get cyber chip, comparing the cost of items at three locations, and having to explain utilities to their house. Not bad stuff, but not exactly fun, fire, and knives.
  21. To be clear, there is no Post Project / Pre-EBOR required of the District or Council There is Unit and District approval of the project proposal. There is no requirement that the district review be a board or that the approval be a meeting. Just that there is a review by the district advancement team or their designee. There is not a specific requirement for a Post Project / Pre-EBOR. Only that the Scout, Beneficiary, and Unit Leader sign that the work was completed. The Eagle application and project process is covered in detail in Section 9 in the Guide to Advancement. All the ins and outs are covered, runs about 11 pages.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Use of the word (or it's longer form) POLITICAL 4 times in one sentence is impressive. And I would agree. The setting, use of the BSA uniform with a rank patch she knows very well was not actually awarded, and wearing an ERA button is very much a political (see definition below) statement and not happenstance. She is putting as much pressure as possible to get what she wants, sort of scorched earth at this point. A definition of politics (and there are many) - Politics is the process of making decisions that apply to members of a group. It refers to achieving and exercising positions of governance—organized control over a human community, particularly a state
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    Careful...you could get labeled a conditional Scouter and un-Scoutlike for posing such questions......
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    Merit Badges of Yore...

    Sort of like Auto Mechanics that is now Automotive Maintenance, it can be confusing They brought back Pathfinding and Stalking in 2010 as part of the historic merit badges. Pathfinding was interesting and achievable, had a good clinic for that one with the unit. We looked at having a clinic for Stalking but it was pretty in depth and took a hard pass.
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    Eagle Scout Extension for new 2019 Scouts

    That would be awesome.... Challenge is daddy would likely already have the lawsuits typed up and ready to file if things did not go 100% their way