King Ding Dong

I wouldn't get your hopes up for the House, Senate and President to agree on anything for the foreseeable future.

That is an option, but the downside is I would just be enabling them.

Thanks for that. GSLAC has LOE on 10/5-6 also (20 min from the CO) but maybe I get someone to at least do BALOO.

So let me get this straight. You are 15 and cannot be a MBC. However you are signing off requirements for a MB on a blue card ? Are you signing it as complete ? What MBC # are you using ? Entering it into the computer, what computer ? Troopmaster ? That doesn't mean squat regarding a MB. What happens at summer camp is irrelevant to what you do as an Eagle Scout. You live the Scout Oath and Law. So you are the only one in your troop qualified to teach it. Fine, teach it and get a Chess MBC to fulfill the requirements with the scouts. I don't think you realize the damage you could be doing here. What happens if a Scout has his EBOR and then of his elective MB comes into question? It will be on your head. If you are so confident you are doing the right thing, you should have no problem explaining all this to your District Advancement Chair. Send him an email and see what he has to say about it.

Oh boy, you really did it now 441. Quick Duck !!! Look up the definition of discuss. Is that how you discuss things with your parents or girlfriend ? I will let others pile it on.

I could take the attitude that since my family won't be there, so what? However, I am aslo IH and the ramification could be the Pack could not be covered under BSA insurance, exposing the CO to potential liability. BALOO by itself is not even an overnight or at least wasn't when I took it. OWL required the overnight. Our council only offers it during the school year as well. Have someone else run the pack one Saturday. Oh, and I wanted to add. My council doesn't offer BALOO as a stand alone course. I guess they have combined the two onto LOE (leader outdoor experience). I never understood why BALOO with no overnight allowed you take the whole pack camping, but if JUST the Webelos wanted to camp as a den OWL with overnight was required.

You know darn well it cuts it for me, I have listed all my training classes to you before. The other parents, not so much. I think there is only one other DL that has taken training beyond online. I don't have to deal with the same level of BS you do with parents, but general apathy, "I don't have time" yes.

I am looking for the stick to get some other leaders to go to training. Our council does not require tour permits if you stay in council. Looks like we are not camping on council property this fall, but even then the old CM never had to have BALOO to get a reservation for council property. If I am going to stand up and insist that these leaders go to BALOO if they want to camp I darn well want to make sure I have the rules on my side and not be made a fool. The wishy washy BSA speak gets frustrating when two different documents talk about the same thing but use different sentences and are not explicit. Yes, I want it in writing. These are all legal rules "someone said" doesn't cut it. That's why I am asking.

BD you can put your head back together. I found this http://www.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/510-631.pdf "At least one adult giving leadership to a pack overnighter must complete Basic Adult Leader Outdoor Orientation (BALOO), No. 34162, and be present on campouts. " Includes that helpful period before going on to explain why. On the other hand, the Online GTSS is always supposed to be the most current and official document.

Astronomy belt loop or just stargazing is a good one for calming things down at night. Especially if they are from the city and you camp far enough away. $10 10X binoculars are better than "my turn! " with a telescope.

Thanks guys, I thought so. Just to make your head explode BD..... I don't think I have any lawyers in the pack, but in case I do.....one could read that sentence as "Baloo is required to properly understand the importance of program intent, Youth Protection policies, health and safety, site selection, age-appropriate activities, and sufficient adult participation. But we just want to camp and do not care about all that crap. It doesn't say we can't camp, we just won't properly understand the importance of....."

I am in a pickle. I think I am the only person in the pack with BALOO and OWL. In my current Council they call it LOE (leader outdoor experience). I can't make the fall campout and can't find anything written that states that training is required, but it has always been my understanding that it is. There is a class before the campout so I hopefully I can get someone to step up. Is there a National Policy or is the policy governed at the Council level ?

Please cite the requirement in question.

What does district level event have to do with when a troop meeting or campout ends and you are no longer at a scouting event ? I fail to see why you have to slither off to some undisclosed location where no one will recognize you to have a drink. That just sounds creepy to me.

Stosh, I don't think everyone IN THE BAR will think badly of the program if you have a drink. They are in the bar having a drink! You obviously were not an Irish Catholic Priest. Everyone loved to have a drink with Monsignor Pete. A bottle of Jack was his favorite token of appreciation. No BD, I am saying Jesus obviosly did not have an issue with drinking in public.

Pack, it is called a "sausage".

IIRC wasn't Jesus's first public miracle as a bartender ?

It is Totin' Chip and Firem'n Chit. Why do they have to make it so hard ?

A Presbyterian church near us is folding the Pack and Troop in December. It is unfortunate because it was a very active unit and one I was going to consider. I tried to reach out to the leaders and offered to bring them in to our pack now, but they want to finish out in December. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me unless they just plan on leaving scouts completely.

I think the plan keeping the wolves very supervised is key. I would make sure it was a parent and have a very large blood circle. You know the boys and their maturity level, there are boys in my Bear den I would be very uncomfortable with carrying a knife. A planned knife activity on a campout could be a good outlet. It is hard keeping boys that age from just wanting to get it out and just play with it when they get board and constant visual supervision is nearly impossible. I did not allow my oldest to carry his knife on campouts until he earned the Toten Chip in Scouts. Partially because he had difficulty closing it and I just didn't see the need for it on the cub campouts unless he was sitting down and whittling a stick. Like dc said a refresher is a good idea. I would make the cubs read the pledge and rules before any knife activity. Repetition.

I quoted Standard M12B. A scout younger than 13 can do COPE at the discretion of the director. Show some maturity and you can do it, horse around and you are off the course. Simple.

If you staple them together is it now a bound book ? . Doubt that will convince the brick.

A week of Dog Camp is $650. Dogscouts.org

I would contact the families that dropped out and request they donate the uniform to the pack closet. Probably a better use of your time. Best to just let them know the program is still there if they ever want to come back. Scouting isn't everyone. There are good parts of the cub program, but every day I grow closer to the "never ending nightmare of indoor crafts called cub scouts" view of the program. I know we are not supposed to "change" the program, but I have a hard time some days walking into a den meeting knowing it will not be "fun", at least for the more kinetic learners.

I think it depends on the "brother" dynamics. It wouldn't work with my boys, they would just horse around, fight and be a general disruption.