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We had a similar issue a while ago. We "requested" Scouts wear their Class A properly. Took a few months but they caught on. Since then they wear the uniform completely more often than not. Did not withhold advancement but did note if they were not wearing the uniform.

Then we should have the Athiests work on Christmas Day since it means nothing to them.

...and yet youth say the pledge of allegiance every day.

Yeah, but forbidding Scouts 14 and under from using a 6ft ladder is a bit ridiculous. We teach them to shoot bows, sling shots, rifles and shotguns, but God forbid they step on a 6ft ladder. Handsaws = yes, post-hole diggers = no? Guys in high school shop can use belt sanders and saws but if they're Scouts they cannot use them on a project? That's got nothing to do with labor laws. That's got to do with lawyers and insurance.

Man, I'm not interested in MY profession...but it pays too darn well to stop now.

Have you seen the political races in the last ten years? Reality TV? Society has degraded in to a throw away, I can get a new one, let's sling trash at people but empathize during anti-bullying week. Everyone is guilty of it, just some more than most...and I mean in society, not just here. It is human nature but the growing acceptance of this conduct in society in general is what feeds this. Case in point: We recently had an adult who was essentially poison at any event they attended. Their Scout was similar. We invited them to find a troop more in line with their way thinking. One of

I don't know. We had a Scout do a project at an animal preserve (yes, lions, tigers and bears). He must have contacted every agency known to mankind to make sure he was ticked and tied with regard to everything. Amazingly district approved it. At the EBOR the usual district guy (and approver) was not available so a council muckity-muck attended. He wanted to deny the Scout the approval because the project was "inherently dangerous". A quick call to the CE (our CC at the time was golf buddies with him) had this guy backing down and approving this young man's project and application.

50s. My best friend graduated in '90 from med school. He JUST finished paying off college and med school. Granted, it was a VERY expensive southern private school. He's in anesthesia and makes a killing but it STILL took this long to pay everything off. Oddly enough, and back on topic, he didn't want to be a "gas passer" but figured that was the fastest way to pay off school and make good money. He hopes to retire early to be able to enjoy all that cash.

Right on time... http://scoutingwire.org/upholding-scout-law-online-just-important-real-world/

Sorry, what was that you were saying?

@@desertrat77, @@RememberSchiff, @@Stosh...thanks for the replies. @@Stosh, did you get Lincoln to sign your Eagle certificate? Or what it Johnson?

When we moved from NSP to mixed age patrols (years ago) we (and by the I mean the PLC) revamped the TG position. The new role essentially ran and managed all service projects and became a de facto counselor for new Scouts. Once we did that we saw more guys WANTING to be TGs. Side Benefit: The guys who were TGs had kick butt Eagle projects because of the all the experience doing service project management.

Clearly you've been married too long. The point was to find ground the kid can find a way to actually answer the question appropriately. I know you know that...am just pointing out the obvious.

...or delete the I&P forum altogether.Limit discussion to Scouting-related issues. If they are Scouting-related issue that deal with politics (e.g., the recent membership issues) just don't talk about them. There's nothing WE can do about those issues anyway. Talking about them merely inflames people and you will never convince someone that their position is wrong.

Executive chef for a mega star? Pastry chef on top of the Eiffel Tower? Sous chef on board a luxury yacht? Sushi chef at the Top of the Mark (assuming it go turned in to a great sushi bar)? Head chef at the VIP tents at Oktoberfest? Dietitian for Real Madrid (or NBA champs or NFL champs or [insert your sport club here])? Fitness instructor for the Victoria Secret models (implies knowledge of food on the body)? The point is to press the Scout to actually THINK about ALL of the possibilities. Never say never. Sean Connery learned that lesson. There are always SOME circumstances under which y

Good point. So, for those who are older and were actually in Scouting during these times, what were the requirements around the Eagle project? How did they differ from today?

We've lost several folks over the last few years. Basement Dweller and Bad Wolf come to mind. Also over similar reasons.

I agree. However, I think BSA's process (merely getting the proposal approved and not the project plan itself prior to execution) does a disservice to the Scout. They'd get more out of the project planning and approval process by working to get the project plan approved before beginning work.

Unless the PLC actually *did* decide.

They did have an West Jambo a few times. It used to rotate between west and east. In 1973 they had west AND east at the same time. In fact, that was the largest (combined) attendance they've ever had. I went in 1977. Rained every day. I had fun. Worth the money? I'd have preferred Philmont. Looking back I would not count it as a missed opportunity. At that price there's much more than you can do with the money. Guys from my unit are going to Alaska. Same price, less crowds, more adventure.

Good input, thanks. Way more work than needed. Right now in the middle of a changing of the guard. Last thing we need is to throw the new leadership this curve.

Already did when LDS sent their letter last July. Smart mouth ASM from a unit spouted off and the LDS leader at RT closed the doors early, locked up and left. No RT that month.

B-P would have an issue with current troop sizes, BSA training, the cost of uniforms, etc. By the time he got around to Jimmy and Timmy needing to be in different patrols because they'd eventually stab one another with their buck knives, B-P would already have defibrillator paddles firmly affixed to his chest. We need to get over that one part about boy-led that precludes any adult interference. There's a fine line between the boys having their way all the time and Lord of the Flies.

I had to laugh at how many responses you would get to a simple question. No it is not an answer. They have two choices: Explain why they MIGHT be interested (and show you did research about the profession, or explain why it ISN'T something they'd be interested (and show the research you did as to why). The objective is obviously for the Scout to show he knows a bit something about the profession in question besides what he'd read on Wikipedia.

For me the litmus test is somewhere between impact (on the organization or community) and level of effort. Like the blood drive example possibly being too little effort, the same could be said for food or clothing drives. If you only collect 20 items is that good enough? Is 100 good enough? A 1000? While BSA does not give exact guidelines here I think there is a reasonableness test you can apply. I'd even argue that the age and capability of a Scout might be taken in to consideration. An Autistic Scout might do an otherwise lesser project but well within (or preferred, just beyond) his cap