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In my case, two would hand together. The other two are partners in crime. Having them divided in to two patrols makes things easier than having them in one patrol.

I have 4 kids like this. On their own they are great. Together they are a nightmare.

Yes, that too. I heard back from our council (guy I know who works there). His official response was, "I will forward to our CE and have him respond." The unofficial response? "Are you freaking CRAZY!!!! I would never take that risk in a million years."

Hope it works out. That type of change is never easy. Did they consider at all whether to keep friends together as much as possible? Particularly among the younger Scouts?

The list we have includes the project proposals and plans. Before we discuss their objections with any nay-sayers themselves we get them to document their objections. After comparing it to past projects, if the objection(s) has already been proven to be moot, we show them the precedent and ask them again what their objection is. Usually we find that they acquiesce in the light of proof that their objection has already been addressed. If they cannot document the unworthiness of the project linked to any other substantial requirement by BSA, then we ask them kindly to reconsider their objection.

Good points @@Stosh...and ones that have also crossed my mind. I hate to say it like this, but this is a great deal of extra work in my already over-burdened Scout work day. We don't have the resources to run all this down and stay on top of it. If the family were a bit more proactive and competent I would trust them to get much of this. In short, I don't trust them to get this completed. I hate to turn away someone, but I am pretty sure I'd hate a lawsuit and/or Federal prison more.

In (late) honor of Easter I wanted to resurrect this Lazarus thread. We have a parent hosting an exchange student. They want to include the boy in Scouting activities. My biggest concerns are around permissions, guardianship, and health and safety. The host family is usually late with their own paperwork, now we are being asked to accept a foreign student in to the program and make sure they are fully covered (medical forms, permission slips, etc.). While I laud the concept of accepting exchange students in to the program, the fiduciary and health/safety of this student will fall on the S

So you train your boys to know the Sweet 16, tools guidelines, your permit policy, GTA, GTSS and the multitiude of other docs BSA requires SMs to know and operationalize? In my unit we discuss those things but it's not until they reach Eagle they need to concern themselves with those things because of their project. Still, BSA requires me to specifically certify on every project that I've done this. It's in addition to what's on the application. Yes it's legalese from lawyers...what isn't these days?

I think the BSA has awarded a few to adults recently but it was for men who were close to getting eagle during their youth but failed for some reason. I don't recall hearing of an adult working the ranks to Eagle like they did long ago.

We've kept track of all the Eagle projects we've submitted and of those in the district. If we ever get an adult saying a project isn't worthy we make a meeting and trot out the list. They usually approve the project after that.

Getting this back to OA elections, I *do* think the adult intervention issue is MUCH different in that scenario versus during something more formal, like Eagle project approval. During the Eagle project approval there are specific guidelines and requirements guiding the adult input. In that instance I disagree with @@Stosh about the adult's role. During the OA candidate "approval" there are no established guidelines...it is left up to the SM. If the feedback to the Scout who may be denied his chance at election is given without notice to correct any problems, that's not fair. This woul

As far as I know they fill out a membership form, submit to council, take YPT and in some councils take MBC training. I think you can be a district/council aligned MBC without having to be part of a unit.

@@Stosh, just to reply: The beneficiary signs first, the SM second, the CC third, the district rep last, so the SM must review and approve the project in the middle of the process. If the Scout does not have a trained Scouter present to be at his project, how can you approve the project? That's the SM's job to make sure the Scout knows the rules and that they are followed. I agree that the SM's input comes before the signature, HOWEVER, it is also required during the signature phase as part of the SM's role. That's a very different role from the signature of the CC or district rep. Totally d

But that's not the process, @@Stosh. BSA has laid down what the requirements are. Requirement #5 actually says "A project proposal must be approved by the organization benefiting from the effort, your unit leader and unit committee, and the council or district before you start. You must use the Eagle Scout Service Project Workbook, No. 512-927, in meeting this requirement". That's pretty clear that adults MUST be involved; specifically the SM and the CC. The proposal itself states that "Your proposal must be prepared first. It is an overview, but also the beginnings of planning. It must s

If the project does not fully answer wha the workbook requires, then no signature.

If the scout was not living up to the law or oath AND he'd been given notice he was on the bubble b

Good company. Christ was a heretic.

Not sure I follow the question. The proposal for the project is approved by the beneficiary, SM and unit chair, then by the district representative. then the project begins. I think we've seen some units/districts approve just about anything, while some units/districts require more than others. Can you clarify what you mean?

BSA offers the Spirit of the Eagle Award which is a posthumous award for Scouts under 21 who passed away while on the trail to Eagle. To my knowledge the BSA has never awarded an "honorary" Eagle. That's what they should be doing rather than giving out Eagles to adults who complete the requirements after their 18th birthday.

But @@Stosh, it (adult approval) is required by the OA election process. There's no criteria given other than what's in the eligibility requirements. The lodge literature and script adds "being a friend to all" and " cheerful service" which, to me, adds to the requirements.

@@Sentinel947, the problem folks are the ones under 35. They're more self absorbed than the 35-50 crowd.

How would he even know how many you had eligible until you told him?

I asked the Scout Shop about that strip. They said that's a third party patch. The only recognized patch is the bsa nylt patch. Anyone else get a different answer? EDIT: Appears my scout shop was wrong (no surprise). Scoutstuff.org sells the strip. http://www.scoutstuff.org/emb-nylt-trained-strip.html#.VvZuzno8KrU

OH no. They're fine. It's the younger parents that are the problem.

Yes we have a few under 30 volunteers. Mostly former Scouts.